Nutella I really had it with you.

The only thing you do is show hostile behaviour. You are really nothing but toxic, and Im sorry for your family and friends. You are really not well. But you cant jump in after every of my posts like a bully and post some dumb ****.

What is trolling here? Lets be specific a bit, oh wait you cant, see?

you dont know jackshit, but you know how to piss off people with your nonsense.


You cant even argue, you never do. All you do is jump in and shout something. Thats ******ed alright? Thats like a mentally challenged person yelling inside a room and then run away. I have observed that with you over and over.

donk, do you know whats going on in europe? No you dont. so STFU

I will tell you whats the difference now. In Europe the market is unregulated, so the people get low qualitiy stuff from the mafia. The US is lightyears ahead. And they are looking across the ocean now and poining fingers and blaming the EU for being such idiots.


And pls dont come with Holland, they have legaized it 30 years ago or so, that doesnt make a diffence to the EU. They always laughed about it. Now they cant anymore, since in the US its getting there everywhere.

Wrong for the millionth time. Cannabis is illegal in the Netherlands. It's only tolerated.

To feign this level of incoherence would be masterful trolling.

that is wrong again, you can go to a coffee shop and purchase state regulated stuff. Thats why whole of euope is going to Holland for.
They are dreaming about such regulations. They have almost no ways to get to clean stuff. Only via major obstacles, such as prescriptions. Again you are showing your total ignorance on this subject. (on any subject)

Maybe you are a troll. You are 100% wrong again. Cannabis is illegal in the Netherlands. Sales of small amounts at coffee shops are tolerated. The supply chain for coffee shops comes from the black market and is completely unregulated and untested. You can verify this in 5 minutes of Googling. The Netherlands policy on cannabis is a mess.

Why do you have to drag me into talking about Holland? The common believe was that it is regulated in Holland, now I find out it is not. Ok, however, then scratch holland. I didnt even want to talk about holland.

The discussion was that Europe is following suit to the US, and nothing else, anyways. Is it regulated there, or is it not? Somwhat from what I hear, lightyears ahead of europe, and that was the only point. Now you come in here and force me to talk about details. Who is trolling now?

In the US it is somewhat regulated I think, although not completely it is getting there. In Europe it is nothing, they have to go to the street dealer. Alright? case closed. It is a thousand times better than in Europe and now they decide on making laws to follow suit to the US. Major differnence.


Now I really put you on ignore, because whats your point? I know whats my point and I have one. You obviously dont. You only want to troll.

By all means, shield your mind from being contradicted with facts.

This guys was serriously forcing me to derail from a derail, bobo.

Trust me, I could write you a whole essay about this subject. Its called mass consciousness and this time as often it is kicked off by you guys, or the US. They cant excuse their bs policies anymore looking across the ocean. I talked to many experts, even lawyers about his subject. This guy doesnt even know 1% of the stuff I know about it.

Your facts are 100% irrelevant to this discussion or are they? How are they? Why do you derail from a dreail in a thread about immigants?


Time me out bobo, look what you have done, lol. I need to focus in my **** now. cant be talking about nothing all day.

every idiot knows the quality is 1000 times better in a dutch coffeshop than anywhere on the streets of europe. That is why they all go to halland . These shops have reputations and ratings on the internet. Streetdealers dont, but that is the only resource they have in the rest of euope.

Same advantage in the US and Canada. They do have regulations and shops, which are a million times better than what they have in europe. And they are getting pretty close to state regulations imo. What they have is again a gazillion times better than what is existent in euope now. Thus they are a huge ROLEMODEL.


end/derail.

Deranged hobo rant of a derail is okay but pointing out the hobo isn't wearing any pants is going too far. Got it. Jokes on me for engaging a lunatic.

if thats not trolling I dont know what is.

But since you are such an idiot you have to know this. I didnt tell you this last time.

this is only for england. people died. now calculate or look up the rest of euope and compare it to the US.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...and-and-wales/

US:
PDF

Drug Fact Sheet: Marijuana/Cannabis - DEA.gov

No deaths from overdose of marijuana have been reported. Which drugs cause similar effects? Hashish and hashish oil are drugs made from the cannabis plant that ...


Youre welcome,

And thats the problem with unregulated markets.


They tested the heroin here in germany, and it contains 3% H.
The rest is crap, rat poison, lord knows what. These pople die from the crap not from the drug. If I could I would move this to my risks and danger thread. Its all the same principle. Unregulation suck. The US is on the best way to regulate stuff and is a pioneer in this. Something to be proud of.

Washoe is a lag poster, not a troll. He makes perfect sense but is more of a probing poster.

Like, holy **** dude. Seriously??? I mean, leaving aside the fact that you could simply spend two minutes fact checking, how does this even make sense to you? You continually carry on about "Biden and his war on drugs", and you think the US would be first to legalize it? Over and over again, you post on subjects you don't have a ****ing clue about, without taking any time to learn anything first.

To answer your question - no, of course the USA wasn't first to legalize pot, because it's not legal now, and I don't think it will be any time soon. There are a few states that were ahead of the curve, but it's simply absurd to think that the US would be the first country to legalize marijuana, even in "western countries".

Meanwhile, it is legal in Canada, Georgia, Malta, Mexico, South Africa, Thailand, and Uruguay. I believe Canada was the second country in the world to legalize it (2018), after Uruguay (2013).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis

It is commonly understood that the mainline consensus in the Democratic party is that they want to legalize marijuana AND also continue to fight a war on drugs.

The Democratic voter base wants to legalize pot, the people in control of the party are octogenarian ghouls who are bought and laid for by the prison-industrial complex.

Yeah, I might've framed it a little differently, but something like this.

But even if Bryce is correct, it still isn't happening any time soon. My understanding is that there is currently a bill that would only decriminalize (and recognize states' own decisions on legality), and in spite of some bi-partisan support, it's not expected to pass.

lol


I said western countries, that only leaves US and canada.

I can tell you all about it, but later its too late here now.

for now,

are you aware of this thread? scroll it a bit and see what those boys are getting through the mail and in the shops in america:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3.../index282.html

is it the same in europe? never, maybe in 10-20 years.

"The U.S. cannabis market size was valued at USD 10.8 billion in 2021 and is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 14.9% from 2022 to 2030. In the United States, cannabis is often used in the cosmetic, pharmaceutical, and food & beverage industries.

U.S. Cannabis Market Size, Share, Industry Report, 2030

Europe Cannabis Market Forecast to 2027 - COVID-19 Impact ...

https://www.researchandmarkets.com › ...

The Europe cannabis market is expected to reachUS$ 36,997.1 million by 2027 from US$ 3,498.1 million in 2019; it is anticipated to grow at a CAGR of 29.6% ."

quite a difference eh? there is a reason cannabis stocks are booming in the US and people like snoop dog and bilzarian are heavily investing in it. Only in the Us that is.

You cant even drive a care here when you smoked a joint a week prior. I talked to american friends and they all agree we are getting ****ed here. From laws to everything. You are allowed to have 1 nano gram in your blood. You know how much that is? Let me tell you, after you smoked one, you have 60 nano grams in your system, after a day its still at 6-10. If you are lucky you might be able to steeer your car again after 3 days non smoking. Thats how ****ed it is. And this is just an outlayer of the whole problem. They are laughing about it in the US and even europe- In the US you are allowed to have 10 nano grams in your system and drive your car btw. Thats 10x as much. Its all bs here, and they are about to change it, the reason why I told you. oh and they take your licence away and you will never get it back here so be very careful even if you second hand smoke here at a party, so even if you dont even take a drag yourself, because they will **** you. you will pay a huge fine and have to prove one year of abstinance, going to lab every few days. so dont come here if you are planning to drive a car and be in any form social with the people here. you cant drive a car. again this is just an outlayer of the whole problem. I could go on and on.

thank you, exactly.

thank you. I get understood by only a few fast people on average.

It's stuff like this that makes people think you are a troll, and even makes me wonder once in a while.

People usually understand you just fine, they just disagree with you when you post absolute nonsense. Like when you suggest the US was the first to legalize marijuana, when they haven't even legalized it yet, and aren't close to doing so. Or when you say that Holland has legalized marijuana, continue to insist they have when someone tells you otherwise, and finally realize your error after you're told the same thing again. This is stuff you could easily have looked up. In the case of the US, it's something you shouldn't have even needed to look up given your constant posting about "Biden's war on drugs".

There's no shame in getting things wrong. But when you get caught out at it again and again, and continue to post about things you don't know a lot about without fact-checking, all while telling people they are donks, idiots, and trolls and now asserting that you "get understood by only a few fast people on average" and "This guy doesnt even know 1% of the stuff I know about it", it makes you look extremely foolish. Calling people out for "derailing from your derail" (LOL) while suggesting "Your facts are 100% irrelevant to this discussion"? JFC, man.

A little humility would go a long way for you. Before posting, maybe you should consider whether you really know as much about the subject as you think you do, and check your facts. Right now, you look like you're suffering pretty seriously from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

The big issue legally in the usa is that Marijuana is listed as a schedule 1 drug in federal law and by the DEA. As long as that is true, not only is it illegal but technically more illegal than cocaine for example which is a schedule 2 drug. Most people in America view Marijuana being listed at the top of schedule 1( indicating it's the most dangerous drug, lol) as an anachronism but that is what the law says.
In practice marijuana is very legal and grown in 15 states, there are medical marijuana laws in about 20 more. One could understand this ( its legal and easily available in la, nyc, chicago, boston, etc) to mean it's basically legal.

The drug war is not the same thing as marijuana reform. People get life sentences for cocaine, meth etc. and not only is sentencing harsh but they are pursued aggressively leading to a number of problems which is too wide to discuss here.

From a certain progressive vantage point that is not entirely true but has an element of truth to it, it would seem that moderate democrats are largely not interested in ending or curbing the drug war but rather want simply want marijuana to enjoy the same status as wine since so many of the wealthy enjoy it themselves.