This is what I'd expect to see, judging from anecdotal experiences here in London.

Some people's xenophobia takes over and they assume immigrants will always be speaking foreign languages but they're not thinking straight about how big a step it is to move yourself and your family to a country the other side of Europe, and how that usually implies learning the indigenous language.

We're having different conversations. I talking about decades or even generations. That the time scale in which politics plays out. Short term election reults aren't relevant - it's like many if us being relived when Obama repalaced an insane nutty regime - it didn't change the underlying dynamics and the symptoms come back harder. We have to actually change things.

Talk of brexit is largely irrelevent as this is real political impact not chatter. It does matter to some extent and in the short term people remember the mess and pain. That will fade and it will come back with a vengence if and when the time is ripe.

Some migrants here, such as Polish and Chinese have also joined the Gardai/Irish police, so their language actually comes in handy when dealing with said communities when investigating crimes against them. I worked in Hospitality for 15 years and most of my workmates were migrants and the majority of them integrated, and spoke English in an Irish style, such as slang and whatnot.
I never understood the fuss regarding their native languages anyway, as obviously anyone living abroad will speak their own language at home or skyping with their family or fellow migrants from their own country. Whenever me & my partner visit Italy for example, I'll speak what little Italian I have to my in laws and in shops, but my partner and I will speak English when strolling about.

I wouldn't call Meloni a normal right winger, she's been involved with the far right since her mid teens, wasn't she in the MFI youth wing? She was also involved with the National Alliance. Considering her neo Fascist background, I've found her surprisingly restrained wrt her comments in general, actually.

The key difference is we, the electorate, have the power to kick them out.

Do you really understand this difference and how important it is? I know you understand the difference intellectually, but I really, really don't think you get just how important it is for national democracy. You just hand-wave it like it's no big deal and talk about how the EU is becoming more democratic. Which shows you understand it isn't really democratic now, but dont think it's a big deal.

I see the difference of course but since Lisbon it doesn't apply. It may still be developing but so is the extent of the sharing of sovereignty.

National democracy is more to the point but I'm not a nationalist

And I think I do really get it. The failure to address sovereignty and democracy was the biggest problem by far . Its not that we had no case, we had a strong case. We just never fought for it.

Well she is ultra pro EU and criticized by the alt right for it. Also pro military help to Ukraine, pro Israel, very neo-con normal right

Then I truly don't understand what you are saying help me understand.

What Brexit did is making it clear to most, even if you are powerful, a nuclear nation, you already have you own currency, have an international network of 10+ countries linked to you on favourable terms (commonwealth) and your language is the most spoken second language worldwide, if you exit is going to be a real pain in the ass.

How did Brexit help "the far right"?? How did it "decrease democracy"?

Btw Obama ordered more extrajudicial assassination of actual enemies of the west than Bush, this is why people like me can like him and people like you don't possibly

Brexit increases nationalism and division. That helps the far right. The far right is an enemy of democracy. That is simple to understand - agree or disagree as you see fit

The problems we need to tackle imo require far more cooperation and far less self-interest. Brexit makes that harder and failures are exploited by the far right who are the enemy of democracy.

Like I said she's surprised me in general. I very very strongly suspect she's a Fascist at heart though.

why?.she is acting like every center-righr democristian would have acted 1946-1990

ah you mean inside the UK lol sorry.

I thought you meant Brexit helped the far right IN THE EU (I. countries staying in the EU). got it.

yes ofc inside the UK Brexit galvanized people, including the far right, who have strong nationalism as their core identity.

but man your polls are the most leftwing polls pre-election like in what, 40 years? 60? you should be thrilled, it's two generations that the left wasn't as strong in popular opinion as it is today.

so I don't get your pessimism. your side in the UK is going to win in a landslide

I mean in every country

My side is barely even running in the next election in the uk

Green party is too much to the right for you? What do you want, Mao resurrected, or that's too moderate?

I sometimes vote green (did just a few days ago). An important group imo but I usually find I have big issues with some of their thinking so want them as a significant pressure group rather than the major party in government.

I want democratic socialism and if I'm lucky I might get to vote that way,. They are not a significant electoral force though - it's all right wing of various flavours

The Greens have been a significant force in Scotland for some time, despite feeble poll numbers (in fact they have been the somewhat crazy tail wagging the SNP dog, until Yousaf broke the pact), because of the proportional representation system up there. Which is why proportional representation is a bad idea. It always over-promotes fringe groups, letting them hold the balance of power in a hung parliament and putting the lunatics in charge of the asylum. See under: Israel, where religious far-right settlers always hold the balance of power and dictate policy to everyone else.

Well due to her being a member of MSI (Founded by Mussolini supporters) and National Alliance. That's what kinda put the thought into my head.

The biggest problems with the PR system in Scotland, and they are pretty major issues, are that people who are elected through the list system can't be voted out. They are also not responsible to the electorate and instead owe their loyalty completely to party whips. It's a failed system.
The obvious example here is the Greens Lorna Slater. She would be completely out of her depth as a local councillor but was made a government minister by the SNP and ended up costing the country millions in failed policies. She's utterly incompetent but can't be voted out due to the system we have.

The numbers are pretty interesting for the local elections. At least in percentage terms, Labour performed the worst of all parties who made gains. I don't think they are in line for the big win some predict, but that to some degree depends on whether the Tories can win back some of the centre without losing more votes to Reform (and vice versa).

Labour 1,140 councillors 185 councillors gained

Liberal Democrat 521 councillors 104 councillors gained

Conservative 513 councillors 473 councillors lost

Independents 228 councillors 93 councillors gained

Green 181 councillors 74 councillors gained

Suella's not the brightest

Why would you look at it in % terms?

I think people are more likely to vote for the smaller parties in local elections vs general election. Eg a bunch of people who voted Green will likely vote Labour in general election.

Not only you. That effect has been well known for a long time. However, I'd still be surprised if Labour poll much higher than ~40% in the GE. Any Parliamentary majority will come mainly from Reform and LD taking votes from Tories who are unable to fully commit to the completely batshit crazy far right agenda or One Nation Toryism for fear of splitting their party for good.