worse for democracy and progressiveness in which sense? do you think the EU is more progressive than the UK? because if that's not the case then leaving allows you more progressiveness than staying.

And at least currently, the center left and left in the UK poll very well, while in the rest of the EU, it's probably going to be the most rightwing election since we have european elections so...

As for democracy, how exactly is leaving a federation of states according to popular will "worse for democracy", i don't understand. What do you mean, in which sense?

You are right that for anything you need to coordinate with those countries, being out is worse. And the current situation wrt trade deals is a kind of a joke for the UK. But why using words as if they had no meaning? worse for democracy to leave the EU?? is switzerland not democratic because it isn't in the EU? Norway?

Or you know you can control the border.

I dotn share you nationalism and I dotn believe that outside the EU that the UK or the EU will be more progressive. We will move closer toi the usa when we should be moving away while the seeking of national advantage is very anti-progressive.

The risk of fascism in various EU countries is some form or another has risen dramatically. That is anti-democratic.

I inferred, rightly or wrongly that 57 may have thought Ireland's mass migration issue was recent, when it's being going on for 20 odd years.
Speaking of control how is lampedusa doing?

Btw don't you have your own version of a Rwanda bill with Albania?

Can you link it? I'd like to see it. On our news we've had migrants being interviewed stating they avoided the UK and chose Ireland due to the Rwanda bill.

? i also thought UK leaving was a mistake btw. Common market and circulation of normal people and capital is very good.

The "risk of fascism " might have risen in the EU (obviously it didn't but i udnerstand we will never agree that the right is infinitely less fascist than the left in the EU), so how was brexit a reduction of democracy? you literally *fled* from that risk, i don't understand

Are classes in Irish universities taught in Gaelic?

we can't control water borders because of our judges , so very badly as usual.

Albania version is a tad different (and cleaner legally).

We disembark people from the sea there (so they never actually entered italy), and we send there people which have no rights to stay in Italy.

So if you reach italy and ask for asylum you don't go to albania. If we refuse, then you appeal and lose appeal, we send you to albania while we deal with the actual deportation to your home country or wherever it is you are going to end up

But the centers in Albania will be under italian law (like if they were embassy land) and managed by us, so we dodge a lot of legal problems

If the Conservatives win the London mayoral election after fielding your nan once she has had three gin and tonics and read a Reform Party leaflet then I'm going to be horrified.

My hypothesis is that so many EU countries are voting in right wing governments as a direct consequence of being in the EU. Meanwhile, as the UK is no longer at the behest of the EU, we are happy to vote a left of centre government in (or at the very least a government that is significantly to the left of most of Europe).

So take your pick - would people rather have remained in the EU but have a national government that was decidedly right-wing, or be outside the EU but have a relatively left wing government?

I don’t think it’s anywhere near that simple.

My hypothesis is first past the post voting system

Yes, of course.

Ben Chu is the economics editor for Newsnight (there's a very good analysis by him today on the UK's trade)

Fed by EU decision-makers about what laws to propose and push not being accountable or elected.

When a people find their leaders are not listening and cowtowing to an unelected body, and someone offers them a way to show their displeasure at that, are you surprised at all? I'm not.

The more the EU tries to keep its power and foist it on people via quisling politicians (looking at you Major, Blair and Brown), the more the opportunists will gain power.

Brexit aided the right of the far right in european countries which is bad for them and bad for us. It also raised the far right in the uk which is also bad for them and bad for us. We haven't fled anyhting in that regard.

Of course. As the right wingers seem to be the only ones with any chatter about not laying down and getting a good bumming from the EU (Whether they mean it or not)

Our leaders arent listening. They aren't tackling anything. Theya re pandering to the right or part of the right. That is why discontent is rising and it's why extremist and populist nutters are rising fast. This is not a an EU problem which is both democratic and accountable. I'm not one who says you cannot reasonaby argue to leave the EU - I think you are wroign and if we had had the courage of our convictions then you would have lost badly.

My case is that brexit makes so muh so much harder but in the end we have to elect more serious politicians who are going to tackle radical problems

To compound this, serious **** is coming down the road.

No, English would be the first language unless you're studying Gaelic. There are areas in the west and northern parts of the republic such as Galway and Donegal known as the Gaeltacht in which Gaelic is the first language. There's also Gaelic speaking schools. I went to one and used to be fluent in Gaelic and I'm still passable at it although not as fluent as I was years ago.

Right. I asked because I remembered when that rule was introduced and the controversy it caused. It's good news for immigrants that they and specifically their children won't find any language barriers to studying there.

You're not engaging this dishonest Brexit clown again are you?

Funny how he disappears for months then reappears as soon as he thinks he has something to attack "ze Euros" over.

QF homophobia

uh? no it didn't? Lega has lost a lot of votes since brexit, and that was the most important "far right" party in the EU. Now it's AfD, which grows just because every other party is leftist in Germany , there is no normal rightwing option unlike Meloni in Italy. AfD is rising because there is a will to the right everywhere, as the horrendous disasters of european leftism, in particular the energy-related ones, and the environmental regulations ones, and the immigration ones, have pushed the right a lot.

No one mentions brexit around here, it had no effect on our internal italian politics, we stopped discussing it a month after it happened. We only keep talking about it wrt italians needing passports to go to the UK and how that is creating us problems with passport issuance , stuff like that. No1 claims Meloni won because of brexit lol.

Thanks for the link, I usually check out the Irish Times so I'm surprised I missed this, thanks again.

I don't think it's the same in the actual primary & secondary schools system, but some migrants don't mind it anyway. This is anecdotal but A Polish neighbour of mine told me his kids were exempt from learning it but he wanted them to as they were living here (his kids also play GAA/Gaelic Athletic Association football), and a Romanian colleague's kid was learning Irish at schools. There are only exemptions in certain circumstances in actual schools, more on it here
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...0study%20Irish