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No idea.

i like to think those responsible for supplies try to make every part as robust as possible but and if anyone important says it can't go wrong then sack them immediately.

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09-12-2022 , 04:30 AM

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Hoopie1

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

No idea.

i like to think those responsible for supplies try to make every part as robust as possible but and if anyone important says it can't go wrong then sack them immediately.

You are telling me "supply shocks aren't rare" without knowing what they are likely to be.

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09-12-2022 , 04:39 AM

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chezlaw

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I didn't say that

I do think our vulnerability to the consequences of any such event has increased significantly.

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09-12-2022 , 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I didn't say that

I do think our vulnerability to the consequences of any such event has increased significantly.

The vulnerability of everyone to such an event has increased significantly.

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09-12-2022 , 09:21 AM

#7481

chezlaw

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Ok so yet another thing we agree on. Not sure exactly what we are disagreeing on.

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09-14-2022 , 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Its purpose is to be a hyped up bogey man for middle brow derps to waste their limited mental bandwidth worrying about.

Its just another classic right wing moral panic.

LOL, I love how you can frame everything in terms of left or right... I think there are plenty of people fed up with "wokeness" who aren't particularly right-wing or even politically-minded at all.

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09-14-2022 , 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

Many people would argue the actual extent of these problems and problems similar to them are minor in comparison to other problems/causes of problems.

This is the part that make so little sense IMO and why I get the feeling it's way less about actually helping these perceived minories than it is about virtue signalling.

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09-14-2022 , 07:12 AM

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O.A.F.K.1.1

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Originally Posted by jukofyork

Just because the person who has succumbed to moral panic about woke is not political, does not mean the person making them succumb is not political.

Exactly the sort of thing that has to be pointed out to a middle brow.

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09-14-2022 , 07:15 AM

#7485

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Racism is not a minor problem.

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09-14-2022 , 07:17 AM

#7486

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If I had a penny for every time I had heard "hey Im not at all political, its just coincidence all my opinions are right wing memes" I would be a rich man.

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09-14-2022 , 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

According to Juk we cant solve environmental issues because of the preponderance of woke.

My point was that because of "wokeness" it's taboo to talk about any solution other than converting to use "green" energy and other token gestures.

Nobody wants to talk about economic degrowth, population control, etc because the very people who are pushing for these token gestures are the ones who'd have to take the biggest hit to their lifestyles...

IMO people's priorities will change hugely over the next 20-30 years and those who pushed this crazy wokist environmentalism will be rightly vilified for what they have done.

Juk

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09-14-2022 , 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Racism is not a minor problem.

You writing this statement as thought it is some irrefutable axiom makes my point exactly.

Juk

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09-14-2022 , 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jukofyork

This post is just wrong on every level.

1. Economic degrowth and population control are commonly discussed.
2. They are most discussed by the people the right like to attack by attempting to foster the negative label of woke upon.

For example George Monbiot is often talking about the above and is always being attacked for being "woke."

All we can see from this is that you have been so colonised by woke terror that you force woke into places it should not go because you have become so irrational and hysterical about it.

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09-14-2022 , 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jukofyork

You writing this statement as thought it is some irrefutable axiom makes my point exactly.

Juk

So you think racism is a minor problem?

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09-14-2022 , 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

If I had a penny for every time I had heard "hey Im not at all political, its just coincidence all my opinions are right wing memes" I would be a rich man.

I think the problem is you just can't comprehend how somebody could actually have a mixture of left/right beliefs; chosen based on merit rather than some set-in-stone affiliation to one side or the other.

Until you can actually believe this is possible it seems impossible to have any sort of sensible discussion with you sadly

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09-14-2022 , 07:36 AM

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Juk

I can totally accept that, I do know a few people like that.

Its just that 99% of the time when someone claims to be above right/left narratives they routinely speil off the most common group think right wing narratives.

Just like you are doing itt.

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09-14-2022 , 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

So you think racism is a minor problem?

No, I said quite clearly "I don't think it's an axiom":

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An axiom, postulate, or assumption is a statement that is taken to be true, to serve as a premise or starting point for further reasoning and arguments.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom

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09-14-2022 , 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jukofyork

No, I said quite clearly "I don't think it's an axiom":

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom

Juk

You realise I was replying to the assertion that racism is a minor problem?

Now it may be more complicated than a simple binary response, but given the assertion was binary, I am well within my rights to reply in the binary frame the argument has already been established in.

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09-14-2022 , 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Its just that 99% of the time when someone claims to be above right/left narratives they routinely speil off the most common group think right wing narratives.

Did you miss the archived 2+2 thread I linked where I was accused of being a communist from a time before the term "woke" even existed?

I assure you I'm not some right-wing nutter... My grandmother was a prominent Labour councillor (from a time when very few women were involved in politics) and my grandfather was a black-listed trade union leader (I don't want to post the link for security, but will send via DM if you want).

Juk

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09-14-2022 , 07:50 AM

#7496

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Im just going on what I read in this thread, personal claims about your grandmother mean nothing.

It could not be more apparent that you are full of woke terror and expressing such is a central them of your posting.

So even if you are completely unaware of it, you are a node of right wing messaging.

A puppet on a string.

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09-14-2022 , 07:53 AM

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Because of woke no one talks about degrowth is going to be the dumbest thing I read today.

And I could potentially be reading several washoe posts.

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09-14-2022 , 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Well then you agree is more complicated than a simple assertion?

If you are white (as I am) then I think it makes even less sense to make statements like this and IMO most of those not in the minority group themselves have no idea of what they are talking about and are simply doing so to make themselves look good to their peers...

I can give at least one example of a somebody from a minor group who doesn't agree that racism is a huge problem in the UK:

https://mobile.twitter.com/calvinrob...49941528391682

So it can't possibly be stated as some form of irrifutable axiom; especially from those who are not able to experience it.

Juk

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09-14-2022 , 08:00 AM

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Ted Patrick

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If I had to choose between the statements, racism is not a minor problem or racism is a minor problem.

I would say the former statement is much more correct than the second statement which is out right false.

Also JFC at someone on twitter, gonna have to demote you from middle brow to low brow if you pull that **** again.

Though it is funny that the first time you cite someone its a self confessed conservative commenter.

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09-14-2022 , 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Fair enough then. I'm sorry I seem unable to get my point across and it seems you are reacting more with anger than logic now (a sad sign of how far 2+2 has fallen IMO).

Juk

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