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We're almost certain to get landed with Truss, and she's almost certain to be a disaster like her three predecessors. But you do have to ask why Labour can't gain a decisive advantage over the clownshow that the Tories have long been.

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08-13-2022 , 03:26 PM

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jalfrezi

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08-13-2022 , 03:37 PM

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chezlaw

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It fits my suspicion that those attending the hustings are not representative of the party and are biased towards sunak supporters.

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08-14-2022 , 02:27 PM

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57 On Red

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There's not much sign that either Sunak or Truss even recognises the scale of the cost-of-living crisis. France has frozen gas prices and put a 4% cap on electricity, and it's a wildly different country and culture with very high tax rates compared to ours, but any British politician who tells you nothing can be done in fact means he or she doesn't want tax rises for his or her rich mates and party supporters. Trouble is, in the words of Sean Bean, 'Winter is coming.'

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08-15-2022 , 05:39 AM

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sixfour

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

There's not much sign that either Sunak or Truss even recognises the scale of the cost-of-living crisis.

Given the report in the Express today that Sunak apparently saw a proposal from the energy companies to freeze bills at just under 2k and rejected it, he is probably aware of it and electing to ignore it

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08-15-2022 , 05:46 AM

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O.A.F.K.1.1

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Report in a paper that heavily supports Truss.

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08-15-2022 , 06:25 AM

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BOIDS

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tories sleepwalking into oblivion. a huge number of people in this country are about to receive bills they cannot pay

liz's inevitable cave-in will be too little too late

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08-15-2022 , 07:30 AM

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Elrazor

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Originally Posted by sixfour

Freezing bills doesn't make sense to me - it seems to help those with massive energy use the most, while doing little for those with fairly modest properties.

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08-15-2022 , 07:40 AM

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O.A.F.K.1.1

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Also the devil is in the detail of such a proposal, someone is paying somewhere, they are not going to give out free electricity.

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08-15-2022 , 07:48 AM

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chezlaw

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We have to address the demand side. Cheap energy for a reasonable quantity of units is required imo but also restrictions and much higher costs for luxuries. Cheap energy for people heating their private swimming pools for example will be a catastrophie when there is a crises of supply.

4 day week type stuff may well be necessary. We may well run out of energy with the hancock PPE type astonished whining that we thought we could buy it on the market but it's a global problem and everybody wants it.

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08-15-2022 , 07:51 AM

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O.A.F.K.1.1

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Obviously UK households are paying much more than households than Germany, France, etc.

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08-15-2022 , 08:55 AM

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chezlaw

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but they still face rationing. Maybe worse than here

and it can so much worse than people are considering. The drought has already caused France to relax standards on how much their nuclear power plants can heat cooling water. That can only go so far before they have to start switching them off or taking serious risks. Plus all the hydroelectric power etc.

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08-15-2022 , 09:10 AM

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sixfour

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

Freezing bills doesn't make sense to me - it seems to help those with massive energy use the most, while doing little for those with fairly modest properties.

They could also start by offering similar limits to businesses. Increased costs go directly to the consumer, that's if they stay in business in the first place, companies that go out of business tend not to pay taxes either

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08-15-2022 , 01:46 PM

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08-15-2022 , 02:11 PM

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After it was shouted at Johnson on holiday,#GetBackToWorkYouFatPonce is now trending on twitter.

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08-16-2022 , 05:32 AM

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08-16-2022 , 08:20 AM

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diebitter

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08-16-2022 , 10:39 PM

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NLBiddy

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Liz Truss says "I believe a woman is a woman" and gets probably the biggest clap of the night. And it's like, no one asked in the first place.

The more stuff like this I see the more concerned I feel that the next PM is chosen by 160000 people

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08-17-2022 , 01:36 PM

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57 On Red

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Originally Posted by NLBiddy

Liz Truss says "I believe a woman is a woman" and gets probably the biggest clap of the night. And it's like, no one asked in the first place.

Quite a few people have asked Labour reps, and they keep doing it because Labour reps can't answer the question. It's a touchstone and, for journalists, it's free entertainment. Truss's sincerity on the matter is another question and not everyone buys it.

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08-17-2022 , 01:41 PM

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57 On Red

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

tories sleepwalking into oblivion. a huge number of people in this country are about to receive bills they cannot pay

liz's inevitable cave-in will be too little too late

They're distinctly not getting it, which is not a good outlook.

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08-17-2022 , 01:45 PM

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57 On Red

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Obviously UK households are paying much more than households than Germany, France, etc.

Give it a few months and the question as to exactly why that is may get asked rather more loudly.

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08-17-2022 , 02:20 PM

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wikibg

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Sunak seems to be at least rational.

I obviously would probably never vote for either candidate but having watched both debate each other, how if you were conservative, you could pick Truss over Sunak is utterly baffling and just speaks to how demented the Tory core is.

However the Labour core can hardly point fingers in this regard, when it comes to picking leaders.

Nothing baffling.
One of them is not white.

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08-17-2022 , 07:58 PM

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SiMor29

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Morning chez. Still believe you can win round these ****ing idiots with kindness? They're already talking about rationing their energy usage to justify voting for brexit.

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08-17-2022 , 08:02 PM

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chezlaw

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Morning. No thanks. I never believed that. Also not sure the germans are rationing their energy use to justify brexit - that sounds wierd

I do believe in politics though.