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08-25-2020 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus
The UK leadership, MP's, and media always willingly ignored the structures of the EU. Structure and power in the EU is super democratic for the rest of Europe...
Do you think it's considered super democratic by the majority of Greeks?
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08-25-2020 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Do you think it's considered super democratic by the majority of Greeks?
No.

But thats the nature of common fiscal policy and getting in to debt with other nations.
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08-26-2020 , 03:58 AM
Another glorious Boris u-turn, given what the shadow education secretary is saying Labour want them to u-turn even further, I guess Sturgeon is de facto PM at this stage
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08-26-2020 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Another glorious Boris u-turn, given what the shadow education secretary is saying Labour want them to u-turn even further, I guess Sturgeon is de facto PM at this stage
What is the U-turn?
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08-26-2020 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
Another glorious Boris u-turn, given what the shadow education secretary is saying Labour want them to u-turn even further, I guess Sturgeon is de facto PM at this stage
Sturgeon has done many a u-turn too.
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08-26-2020 , 05:31 AM
Yeah, a U-turn is not when you modify policy based on the latest scientific advice/WHO evidence.
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08-26-2020 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Yeah, a U-turn is not when you modify policy based on the latest scientific advice/WHO evidence.
It is when brows so low they drag the ocean flour insist on politicising masks.

Sir Noble Boris of de Pfeffel, was making a stand against the evil mask tyranny, but has now bowed to the Bill Gates mask hegemony, pffft..

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08-26-2020 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
and stupid

One big problem with the incessant negative campaigning about the Boris Bus is that it was saying to potential brexit voters that they are so stupid that they want to leave the EU because they have been taken in by some silly political message on the side of a bus from an Etonian buffoon
Right, whereas in truth they have been taken in by a generation-long campaign of distortion and lies by self-serving newspapers they read every day AND by some silly political message on the side of a bus from an Etonian buffoon, with very few cases of people challenging the lies by showing the benefits that EU membership brought to this country and allaying their fears about the invasion of 80 million Turks.
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08-26-2020 , 01:35 PM
No that misses the point almost completely in a desperate need to call people stupid.

In fact you're repeating the mistake of being entirely negative with the result that most reasonable people will just tune you out or take the view that if that is all you've got then you have no case.

If we want people to agree with our position then we have to tell them what it is - and it can take a very long time and/or someone inspirational and/or a major event to get them to take it onboard. The failure was ours.
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08-26-2020 , 02:49 PM
Perhaps if people had been given a referendum on Maastricht and Lisbon - you know, a clearly democratic vote on joining a growing monolithic political organisation that would be taking over a lot of powers from national governments - it wouldn't have come to this.


Some people think it is clearly wrong for here-today gone-tomorrow politicians to give up such rights and powers when they are actually transitory stewards of our democracies.
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08-26-2020 , 02:59 PM
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No that misses the point almost completely in a desperate need to call people stupid.

In fact you're repeating the mistake of being entirely negative with the result that most reasonable people will just tune you out or take the view that if that is all you've got then you have no case.

If we want people to agree with our position then we have to tell them what it is - and it can take a very long time and/or someone inspirational and/or a major event to get them to take it onboard. The failure was ours.
Try reading all of a post before replying.
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08-26-2020 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Try reading
Big fan of books
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08-26-2020 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Big
Go on a diet and get out more.
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08-26-2020 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Perhaps if people had been given a referendum on Maastricht and Lisbon - you know, a clearly democratic vote on joining a growing monolithic political organisation that would be taking over a lot of powers from national governments - it wouldn't have come to this.


Some people think it is clearly wrong for here-today gone-tomorrow politicians to give up such rights and powers when they are actually transitory stewards of our democracies.
Agreed. A bit more direct democracy would help
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08-27-2020 , 10:49 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53933470


Sir Ed Davey wins Liberal Democrat leadership race


I'd say needs probably 2 more leaders before they scrape off the Clegg stench
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08-27-2020 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53933470


Sir Ed Davey wins Liberal Democrat leadership race


I'd say needs probably 2 more leaders before they scrape off the Clegg stench
And as much as I like Ed, he's pretty tainted by the old days.

They should have set up some more sacrificial lambs.
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08-27-2020 , 11:20 AM
They must be due another leadership contest about now.
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08-27-2020 , 12:39 PM
The Lib Dems are done as long as Starmer is in charge at Labour.

Moran is utterly toxic, but they may as well have gone with her as at least she offers something different.
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08-27-2020 , 02:19 PM
Nah. She outed herself as clueless by bidding for the 'women don't exist' TRA vote.



Although Ed Davey is not much better on that score. Since 2014, the Lib Dems have taken over £1.4 million from Ferring Pharmaceuticals, a private Swiss-owned firm, with unsavoury links to Vladimir Putin, which markets Degarelix aka Firmagon, one of those hormone-blocker prostate-cancer drugs which are used to arrest puberty in supposedly gender-dysphoric children, with what the NHS now admits are unknown but disturbing effects in relation to brain, bone and psychological damage.

It's good to see that there has been some pushback against Avanti West Coast's much-touted Woo-Woo Choo-Choo, a train branded with huge Pride flags and manned by supposedly all-gay or gender-non-conforming staff wearing 'pronoun' badges. Basically, actual gay people don't like it and it bugs them.

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08-27-2020 , 02:27 PM
Meanwhile, in relation to the American literary agent Sasha White, who was summarily sacked for stating that women exist (I'm afraid employment rights don't exist in the hellhole that is the United States of America and they can fire at will), there's been an interesting development in terms of Twitter archaeology. The tweet shown here is not quite correct, since Matt Belford didn't himself sack Sasha. It was a guy (of course it was a guy) higher up the chain. But Matt is a colleague who vocally approved of the sacking.


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08-27-2020 , 03:14 PM
In case anyone doesn't follow (and around here I don't think you can be too sure in that particular area), human beings don't come much lower than a massive Pornhub user, which Matt Belford, by his own declaration, is.
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08-27-2020 , 03:18 PM
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Moran is utterly toxic, but they may as well have gone with her as at least she offers something different.
Why?

Her transgender opinions that are ITT or something else?
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08-28-2020 , 01:45 AM
Gender opinions and assaulting her ex-partner.

I actually don't disagree with the "lots of genders" argument. Gender almost by definition is fluid and can be measured as a continuum. Sex is binary in all cases other than those who have not developed normally.

MPs are so clueless they often conflate the two, as we can see in Moran's case.

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08-31-2020 , 02:31 AM
**** me I need out of Scotland/UK so bad. Has it always been this bad? Apparently the tories(bwahaha) have a new leader in scotland(apparently that alky red faced guy was a tool) who is campaigning on faster rail links between inverness and edinburgh. LOL. Imagine being so out of touch that you are trying your best to not mention the english brexit as a platform. What an absolute disaster these racist ****s have brought about.
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08-31-2020 , 11:05 AM
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**** me I need out of Scotland/UK so bad. Has it always been this bad? Apparently the tories(bwahaha) have a new leader in scotland(apparently that alky red faced guy was a tool) who is campaigning on faster rail links between inverness and edinburgh. LOL. Imagine being so out of touch that you are trying your best to not mention the english brexit as a platform. What an absolute disaster these racist ****s have brought about.
No, it has been getting steadily worse since June 2016. The only improvement has been the appointment of a much improved LOTO.
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