well, I believe that sports have a lot of great benefits to youth building camaraderie and teamwork and the like, so it seems at least plausible that inclusion in sports would help suicides and that exclusion would harm it.

It is true that suicide is a growing problem generally, but it particularly acute among trans youth, one of the motivating factors for having greater acceptance.

I'm not convinced you don't know. You said several posts back that you would be OK with inclusion up to grade 7, and even grade 9 in some instances. I don't think you'd support that without some understanding of the detrimental impacts that exclusion has on kids' mental health.

You do realize school can be a nightmare for a large range of students not just the trans student. Suicide is a mental health issue and any student that has the remote thought of suicide should have all the resources available to them .

Lets be clear they are not excluded entirely they can compete at their biological gender if its competitive and if not than compete were they are more comfortable.

Do you think that people inclusion in a sports team consistent with your gender might help a trans person's mental health? You are speaking about "all the resources available to them"....but isn't this a resource?

Hey maybe we shouldn’t go out of our way to demean and misgender these kids.

In life you face many setbacks . There are students that are not transgender and try out for teams and do not make it as well. Maybe you need to accept the fact that it may not be fair for you to compete in the women's division and accept that.

There is no question that suicide rates are higher among trans gender kids but I highly doubt its because of the fact they could not compete on the women's team. They are not biological women

I don't know what in my post makes you think I don't realize this. I've been involved in the education system for 20+ years. Did you think I was somehow advocating that no one but trans kids should get mental health resources?

When we're talking about pretty much any issue that plagues society, it's quite normal that resources are targeted to those most in need. That doesn't mean everyone else doesn't still get help. And it also makes sense to go after the low-hanging fruit first - being more accepting of people is a pretty easy thing to do that doesn't cost a lot of money. Not only that, but it helps more than just the transgender kids - raising kids who are more understanding and accepting of one other is good for everyone.

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Do you think a cisgirl that gets cut from a team so that team can include a transgender individual does not also suffer .

Why are you going back over these tired points (and with wierd terms like cisgirl)? Like, what's your point here? Are you now saying you don't agree with inclusion up to grade 7, and grade 9 in some situations?

Hey Im not sure if I have to say cis girl or just girl. No I am all for full inclusion in intramurals and any sport that does not have a school record, cuts or competes outside that school .

As you say you have been in the education system now for 20 years I am not sure at what level. How do you account for the dramatic increases in transgender kids in schools? Do you consider that many of these kids do it to be cool or different. At my age I know parents that have high school kids and their own kids say this .

So we are on the same page I think at what levels they should compete. I personally think athletes like Lia Thomas are cheats and their records should be removed

The same way I account for dramatic increases in all LGBTQ people - they were always there, but now that we've finally become more accepting, they are able to come out as who they are.

Is there the possibility of some confused kids? Sure. To be "cool or different", given the way they are still viewed by a large portion of society? I expect that phenomenon would be pretty limited, if it exists at all. It seems more like the kind of thing that politicians/pundits would like to use as a talking point and/or excuse to **** on transgender people yet again.

The Boomers are dying off.

I'm almost certain that sports cause way more suicides than it prevents.
I can't relate at all to these kinds of posts.

I guess no one else here was the one always chosen last for teams or bullied because they were not athletic or coordinated?

It's the opposite of a resource.

It looks like you are wrong: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...dal%20ideation.

It's super weird to see you droning on about needing to combat the mental health crisis with extra resources when talking about cis kids but this whole suck it up buttercup attitude when it is trans kids.

Regardless, you didn't answer the question. Do you think participation on a sports team consistent with their gender helps the mental health of trans youth?

Sure why not but I want to consider the mental health of the individuals that would have to compete against that individual as well
Do I think folks commit suicide because they can't compete against girls not a chance

Yes, that's counting only the kids who make the teams. I didn't say sports caused more suicides for those on the teams. VI would like to see stats for those who didn't.

I would be very surprised if there is anything other than a decrease in suicides as a result of participation in sport or exercise across all demographics, and at all levels of participation.

It would help anyone's mental health to dominate their opponents.

How do you think it is affecting the mental health of the girl who would have won if not for the extra competition?

British Cycling to ban transgender women from competing in female category

Seems reasonable. For competition, there will be an open category and female category.

Not all agree. In a thoughtful and measured response, transwoman Emily Bridges accused British Cycling of committing genocide.

Hard to untangle correlation and causation. People who are so depressed they have trouble getting out of bed aren't playing sports.

The paper does note this:

Completely separate from any trans issue, I think that youth sports are broadly speaking helpful on a range of metrics to kids.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

If things continue on this path, we'll have to think of something new to call an actual genocide.

Most of what's good about sports is based on fair-play and a level playing field.