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09-29-2019 , 10:48 PM

#2501

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joe6pack

Funny how these Antifa apologists suddenly turn up and then run away when their lies are exposed.

If enough of us random mults show up and assert the opposite of reality - it might become true!

09-29-2019 , 11:47 PM

#2502

.Alex.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Checking in on the "I abhor violence in all forms" crowd.

But was she sure they were Nazis or is it possible they were just Nazi-adjacent? In any case, it doesn't sounds like they were instigating any violence at the bar so she must be condemned.

09-30-2019 , 02:32 AM

#2503

lagtight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tame_deuces

Even public universities are typically (and should be) run as independent institutions. Which means they get to decide who is invited to speak at official campus events.

And while I think showing up in masks and with bats to stop a Ben Shapiro event is undemocratic political violence, a university denying Ben Shapiro a campus event is just doing humanity a favor.

We have universities in my country who also suddenly think they have to engage certain debates to shine a light on issues, by inviting professional pundits who make a living out of saying controversial things. I have never bought that argument. The world is filled with brilliant people doing brilliant things. Focus on them instead of idiots like Milo or Shapiro who are just wasting everyone's time.

Lumping Milo and Shapiro together is utterly silly, in my opinion.

Also, it's usually specific student organizations that request speakers, not "the university".

I'm fine with closing down all public universities, then it's a non-issue and the universities can invite or disinvite or not invite at all anybody they want.

09-30-2019 , 06:38 AM

#2504

Max Cut

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Cancel culture on the left: deplatforming for-profit fear-mongering propagandists and hate group mouth pieces.
Cancel culture on the right: I'm fine with closing down all public universities

09-30-2019 , 07:29 AM

#2505

lagtight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

Cancel culture on the left: deplatforming for-profit fear-mongering propagandists and hate group mouth pieces.
Cancel culture on the right: I'm fine with closing down all public universities

Ironically, you pretty much described the typical humanities professor at many taxpayer-supported universities. Maybe if they had to get a real job, they'd not be that way.

Edit: As a former college instructor in the humanities, I know some of these clowns.

09-30-2019 , 07:59 AM

#2506

lagtight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

Cancel culture on the left: deplatforming for-profit fear-mongering propagandists and hate group mouth pieces.
Cancel culture on the right: I'm fine with closing down all public universities

1. All the administrators and faculty work for free. They're not "for profit".

2. No professor would even think of inspiring fear, like "world will end in 15 years If The government doesn't save us. "

09-30-2019 , 08:10 AM

#2507

Max Cut

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Maybe if you had a real job...

09-30-2019 , 08:21 AM

#2508

lagtight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

Maybe if you had a real job...

I am a chess coach and a Philosophy tutor. Not sure myself if either one is a REAL job or not.

09-30-2019 , 08:23 AM

#2509

lagtight

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I also nab an occasional speaking gig.

09-30-2019 , 09:51 AM

#2510

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Cut

Cancel culture on the left: deplatforming for-profit fear-mongering propagandists and hate group mouth pieces.
Cancel culture on the right: I'm fine with closing down all public universities

no cancel culture on the right is firing gay people for coming out of the closet, firing women who complain about sexual harassment, disowning your daugher for effing black guys.

09-30-2019 , 12:23 PM

#2511

juan valdez

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Turns out the proud boys showed up to the Rubin event. Thankfully the noble fascist fighters were there to keep them in check

09-30-2019 , 12:44 PM

#2512

MrWookie

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Why do you hate free speech?

09-30-2019 , 12:52 PM

#2513

Kelhus999

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I do appreciate the irony the protesters were chanting “Nazi scum off our street” whilst physically intimidating the (very probably Jewish) elderly couple from attending a speaking event held by a man named David Joshua Rubin.

Unless they were criticizing themselves I don’t think they have a very firm grasp about the historical relationship between Nazis and Jews and where they fall on that spectrum.

09-30-2019 , 12:52 PM

#2514

lagtight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

no cancel culture on the right is firing gay people for coming out of the closet, firing women who complain about sexual harassment, disowning your daugher for effing black guys.

1. I am against firing homosexuals for "coming out of the closet."

2. I am against firing women who complain about sexual harrassment.

3. I am against disowning offspring for fornicating with black people.

Now that a real-life right-wing person has disavowed those three actions, please quote a right winger who is in favor of doing those three things.

Easy challenge.

09-30-2019 , 12:58 PM

#2515

chezlaw

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Call it speech if you like but pretty sure it would fall fowl of the law in the UK and so it should.

People who think that's is covered by some absolute need for 'free speech' have lost the plot.

09-30-2019 , 02:26 PM

#2516

MrWookie

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Oh I see, jaun got his marching orders from the Russian bots pushing #antifadomesticterrorists on Twitter, because yelling at people is apparently terrorism.

09-30-2019 , 02:31 PM

#2517

chezlaw

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No idea what that means but it should be no big deal for anyone to say that that behavior wasn't acceptable. I wouldn't even call it a free speech issue but if it is then there needs to be limits on free speech.

09-30-2019 , 02:47 PM

#2518

Max Cut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lagtight

Alabama. Next?

Left wants to cancel Nazi rallies.
Right wants to cancel school lunches.

09-30-2019 , 03:16 PM

#2519

joe6pack

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelhus999

It's all projection.

09-30-2019 , 04:30 PM

#2520

Slighted

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lagtight

mike pence.

09-30-2019 , 04:33 PM

#2521

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lagtight

bro, you vote for Republicans.

09-30-2019 , 04:38 PM

#2522

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

Turns out the proud boys showed up to the Rubin event. Thankfully the noble fascist fighters were there to keep them in check

lots of people in that twitter thread advocating for violence.

also, this is almost certainly staged. lol no one yells at old ppl like that.

09-30-2019 , 04:50 PM

#2523

Huehuecoyotl

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What's Marco Rubio doing in Canada?

09-30-2019 , 05:41 PM

#2524

spanktehbadwookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lagtight

I think using free speech in response to fascism is a great thing. I believe in conquering bad ideas by replacing them with good ideas. I'm fine with screaming and yelling and calling out the fascists to their face.

I'm LESS fine with using physical force or intimidation to shut people up.

As an open -air preacher, people scream and yell at me sometimes, and they have a right to do so. Hecklers are great, because they attract a crowd.

I'm not real cool with being physically assaulted, which hasn't happened so far

In short, I prefer speech versus speech, over speech versus weapons.

What you prefer isn’t a factor

Party A says party C is something and that they wanna do something about party C.

Party B says No and that party A should be stopped from doing anything to party C.

Seems that party A and party B are free to speak.

Party C seems to have some people after them...