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05-17-2020 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
As the article continues, institutionally, in the US, it's nearly impossible to convict cops or murder or excessive force
One point that's been made many times before but not in this thread, is that national media has been rather critical of policing in recent years but that local media--supposedly due to the need to maintain access-- seems to not be at all and basically always just parrots whatever the official line is in controversial cases. I'm sure there are counter examples but I don't know what they are.
05-17-2020 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
NYT and WaPo definitely fall in the left wing propaganda category.
NYT and WaPo definitely fall in the left wing propaganda category.
NYT and WaPo definitely fall in the left wing propaganda category.
NYT and WaPo definitely fall in the left wing propaganda category.
NYT and WaPo definitely fall in the left wing propaganda category.
NYT and WaPo definitely fall in the left wing propaganda category.

Between this and your constant, vigorous defense of the Daily Mail, I can't take you seriously anymore. NYT and WaPo lean left of center and are highly fact based sources of information. The Daily Mail is a TABLOID. Your brain is broken, and half your posts care way too much about media narratives. You're basically Luckbox Inc, incapable of nuance, and half your posts are stuck in a repetitive cycle of sheer nonsense. Just because you decided to stop using the phrase "ideologically possessed" from old Kelhus to new Kelhus doesn't mean the way you think is any less flawed. I tried to give 100 the benefit of the doubt, but I give up. You're getting ignored just like 999
lololol NYT and WAPO as left wing. they are conservative status quo outlets that repeatedly attack the left and carry water for the warmongering right.
05-17-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
My U.S. Chess Federation rating is 1812.

Can anybody here top that?
I have no idea what my rating would be against actual tournament players--probably 1700ish. I feel like I plateaued when I was around 17 and never took the time to get any better. One guy I played once who dropped out of high school to play chess professionally beat me in three straight games but said I could make some money in tournaments somehow as a total unknown betting, but he was probably over rating me. I think if I would need to study a lot of opening theory to improve.
05-17-2020 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
lololol NYT and WAPO as left wing. they are conservative status quo outlets that repeatedly attack the left and carry water for the warmongering right.
I keep trying to make this point and have about 2 or 3 threads devoted to it, but nothing helps
05-17-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
Between this and your constant, vigorous defense of the Daily Mail, I can't take you seriously anymore. NYT and WaPo lean left of center and are highly fact based sources of information. The Daily Mail is a TABLOID. Your brain is broken, and half your posts care way too much about media narratives. You're basically Luckbox Inc, incapable of nuance, and half your posts are stuck in a repetitive cycle of sheer nonsense. Just because you decided to stop using the phrase "ideologically possessed" from old Kelhus to new Kelhus doesn't mean the way you think is any less flawed. I tried to give 100 the benefit of the doubt, but I give up. You're getting ignored just like 999
Don't you think you're the one incapable of nuance? I feel like I handle nuance just fine. Do you have any examples of where I'm lumping a bunch of things into one basket? We can talk about it.
I mean I do enjoy your posts and stuff, but I don't think you're familiar enough with my posting to claim that I can't handle nuance.
But as Victor says--NYT and WaPO are on the right, not left of center.* And I wonder what it is that is nuanced in thinking otherwise.
*center still being largely a myth and yeah sure that's a pretty absolutist position.

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05-17-2020 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I have no idea what my rating would be against actual tournament players--probably 1700ish. I feel like I plateaued when I was around 17 and never took the time to get any better. One guy I played once who dropped out of high school to play chess professionally beat me in three straight games but said I could make some money in tournaments somehow as a total unknown betting, but he was probably over rating me. I think if I would need to study a lot of opening theory to improve.
1700 would make you an above-average tournament player.

My peak published rating was 2002 USCF in 1987 when I was 29.

I dropped from there as low as 1800. Haven't played an official rated tournament game since 2009.

Still play a lot of blitz, mostly online.
05-17-2020 , 06:17 PM
If your sister came to you and told you some guy at a party forced himself on her. Kelhaus would say “who knows if that’s the truth or if that’s the narrative the MSM wants your sister to believe about her experiences.”

You’re a ****ing clown Ahmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of MurderAhmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of MurderAhmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of Murder my guy. The fact anyone waste any time entertaining you and your fetish for the British National Enquirer (The Daily Mail) just shows how freaking bored people actually are these days Ahmaud Arbery Killing -- 3 Guilty of Murder

Bless your little heart
05-18-2020 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
They almost certainly get off here. Maybe the judge forces it and the jury gets tired and agrees to manslaughter so they can all go home. But my guess is hung jury or innocent.

The only reason this doesnt go like Zimmerman is there is video.

Still proly doesnt matter bc there are gonna be at least a few people from GA that are going not guilty regardless and they arent changing their mind without some severe personal discomfort like being sequestered for weeks on end.

I do want to thank the person who dropped the Brandon Tatum video. That guy is the gift that keeps giving. Just boggles my mind that people like that can actually make a living with the grift when they are so transparent.
No, won't even go to trial, even with police cam. What they did was completely legal, as ****ed up as it is.
05-18-2020 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I have no idea what my rating would be against actual tournament players--probably 1700ish. I feel like I plateaued when I was around 17 and never took the time to get any better. One guy I played once who dropped out of high school to play chess professionally beat me in three straight games but said I could make some money in tournaments somehow as a total unknown betting, but he was probably over rating me. I think if I would need to study a lot of opening theory to improve.
Still wondering why someone as smart as you are believes in conspiracy theories.
05-18-2020 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
One point that's been made many times before but not in this thread, is that national media has been rather critical of policing in recent years but that local media--supposedly due to the need to maintain access-- seems to not be at all and basically always just parrots whatever the official line is in controversial cases. I'm sure there are counter examples but I don't know what they are.
Local media is mostly low quality hacks who live off of what local governments and police feed them. They understand not to bite the hand.
05-18-2020 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Can you elaborate?
What motivates someone to dedicate enormous mental energy to pushing ridiculous theories about why an obviously racist lynching was not?
05-18-2020 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace
What motivates someone to dedicate enormous mental energy to pushing ridiculous theories about why an obviously racist lynching was not?
There was nothing racist about it at all. Heck, the only thing racist is you referring to it as a “racist lynching”.
05-18-2020 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Can search the media thread for Lee Merritt's name, but he is the lawyer involved in all the recent Amber Guyger/Joshua Brown related fakery in Dallas and here he is in both of the stories being discussed in this thread.
It's not a good look. Link here to my post on Merritt.
Hi Luckbox,

I clicked your link and read your post and I honestly have no idea what the **** you're talking about. There's a bunch of stuff about a shooting there, and I guess you're claiming someone (Merritt? The media?) is making something up about it, but it's all very Pepe Silvia-esque and impossible to follow. It appears other posters told you this at the time, and you went all-in on "uh sorry I don't have time to explain this right now." So, jumping back to today, I'm a bit at a loss trying to understand the point you're getting at here.

As I am approaching this story fresh, perhaps this is your chance for redemption. Can you try to explain, in a coherent manner this time, what the **** you're talking about? While you're at it, maybe take this opportunity to consider how you got to a point where you link to an old post of yours that you think is making a great point while the general audience you posted it for finds it utterly incomprehensible.

Thanks!
goofy
05-18-2020 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by wiiziwiig
Still wondering why someone as smart as you are believes in conspiracy theories.
I just believe in the ones that are true though
05-18-2020 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hi Luckbox,



I clicked your link and read your post and I honestly have no idea what the **** you're talking about. There's a bunch of stuff about a shooting there, and I guess you're claiming someone (Merritt? The media?) is making something up about it, but it's all very Pepe Silvia-esque and impossible to follow. It appears other posters told you this at the time, and you went all-in on "uh sorry I don't have time to explain this right now." So, jumping back to today, I'm a bit at a loss trying to understand the point you're getting at here.



As I am approaching this story fresh, perhaps this is your chance for redemption. Can you try to explain, in a coherent manner this time, what the **** you're talking about? While you're at it, maybe take this opportunity to consider how you got to a point where you link to an old post of yours that you think is making a great point while the general audience you posted it for finds it utterly incomprehensible.



Thanks!

goofy
I definitely never claimed that that link was making a great point. Not sure how you gathered that.
I simply find it interesting that the same lawyer involved in the Dallas stuff is also involved in both cases being discussed here. And I'd be happy to discuss the Dallas stuff more but that should be done in the media thread. Needless to say, there are lots of issues with the story involving the supposed murder of Joshua Brown--as in I think it did not happen, and Lee Merritt went on to represent Joshua Brown's family as well as Botham Jean who was the person supposedly killed by Amber Guyger.
And I should add--just because there is a conspiracy in the Dallas stuff and one of the same lawyers is involved in these stories, doesn't automatically mean that these stories aren't legit.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 05-18-2020 at 08:14 AM.
05-18-2020 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
You guys really should read daily mail. They do such a better job or providing all the details up front. Whatever their flaws, suppressing information because it doesn't fit the narrative is not one of them. Maybe it is a British thing.

Anyways. As far as I can tell the warrant was no knock. No one is even disputing this as far as I know.

However, the police are arguing they knocked and announced themselves anyways. I imagine this is being used as a justification for charging Walker with attempted murder. And possibly other legal reasons to justify their use of force.

Whether it is true They knocked is questionable.
They occasionally seem to write more details because they are careless about vetting information.
05-18-2020 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
They occasionally seem to write more details because they are careless about vetting information.
It's definitely dangerous to equate "put more details out there quicker" with "better journalism."

I mean, TMZ gets details out there super quickly. Half the time it's wrong, but whatever.
05-18-2020 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
There was nothing racist about it at all. Heck, the only thing racist is you referring to it as a “racist lynching”.
If he had been white they still might have run him down, butvtheyd never have shotbhim.
05-18-2020 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Willd
You're really asking if I read it when I've quoted it verbatim in the thread? In the initial preliminary statement it says



and in the specific statement of facts it says



I don't understand how you can possibly be saying that the lawsuit doesn't address which type of warrant it was. This isn't a case of lawyer jargon making things opaque, it is literally stated in plain English that they had a "knock and announce search warrant". This doesn't mean it's necessarily true but that that was never my claim.

Also just in general this lawsuit is one of the most readable legal documents I've ever read (admittedly most of my sample size is from patent filings). It doesn't mean that all of the claims are accurate but there is very little obfuscating lawyer jargon at all.
It does seem odd that they would have a no knock warrant when the two prime targets did not live there. I don’t really know how those conditions are set, but it seems reasonable that they would be knocking giving the circumstances.
05-18-2020 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It's definitely dangerous to equate "put more details out there quicker" with "better journalism."

I mean, TMZ gets details out there super quickly. Half the time it's wrong, but whatever.
Big breaking news stories tmz is pretty elite.
05-18-2020 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
wait wait wait wait wait - what the ****? "Supposedly" killed by...the person who admitted to pulling the trigger and was convicted of his murder?
Can't believe everything you read in court documents bro. That's what they want you to think.
05-18-2020 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Big breaking news stories tmz is pretty elite.
Almost Daily Mail level.
05-18-2020 , 01:31 PM
Please keep the conspiracy theory nonsense out of this thread.
05-19-2020 , 04:25 AM
Today the guardian has a video of local police harassing the hell out of arbery some years earlier. Forbthosevthat dont understand how policing in rural Ga works it might be instructive.

Racists will be triggered because arbery has on no shirt or shoes and his pants are too low.
05-19-2020 , 07:44 AM
So the guy complies with verbal commands and get tazed anyway ?

We really should have let those useless eaters leave the union when they wanted to.

      
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