I don't know what your problem is. You sure post a lot but maybe you should take some time to think before you do so.

Investigations and requests for iPoker to get rid of bots started long before you created your account, so no, iPoker didn't answer anything clearly.
They jumped on the opportunity that there was an obviously false accusation to come out of hibernation and address that one completely obvious point no one still believed.

They didn't address the real concerns that iPoker players have had for 2 years now. They've never addressed them, and now that they dropped by to give their one statement (the last thing we wanted them to comment on), they have disappeared again and aren't taking any questions, as usual...

Now you come here, knowing nothing about the situation or about poker in the first place, trying to what.....play white knight savior of corporate victims at the hands of the 2+2 mob? To play Devil's advocate? And you complain about the lack of logic "itt"....

stfu, you idiot.

you are very naive or just a big fish. Go inform you on the web how developed Poker AI has become. A Human is never better at a mathematics than a computer programm. I don't speak for the BS cheap bots, which don't adjust and don't use playerstats and play a straightforward strategy without adjusting. Very advanced bots use handreading and range reduction far better than any human can. But even the nitty bots with a straightforward strategy take money away from the fish. And they are easier to detect, but I Poker is even to dumb to identify those cheap pseudo AIs. There is only one conclusion. Stop playing I Poker and play on Pokerstars, because it seems at least they try there best to investigate and ban some of the bots.

This is what happens when threads get linked in the NVG forum...

Hello,

we cannot speak for iPoker itself, but as skin on the network we take security issues and concerns very serious. That being said and as already mentioned before as well, if you have any suspicious information about potential bots, please feel free to forward them by PM and I will do my best to make sure to forward it to the relevant department for further investigations.

Without the feedback from 2+2 and our customers, it is difficult to improve and fix existing problems, thus we appreciate your help and feedback in this matter.

Best regards,
Poker770

No way, there would be no fun then

People seem to like controversy and wasting time on stupid things like "Oh I'm a cry baby. I play on iPoker but it's bot infested. Plz iPoker do something", instead of "**** these cheating/criminals *******s I'm out".
They are facing the same problem for years and it's obvious that iPoker don't want to change anything in its current business model.

Now that's hilarious. How the hell you decide to run a business on a network you can't say for sure isn't making something shady.
Doesn't bother you that one of the several dozens of rooms that operate on the same network as you could be doing something illegal and thus stealing your clients money (or even by allowing someone else to be doing that illegal stuff).

How can you work with someone or company that don't give you real documentation of how their business is run and that everything is clear/legal?

the fact that 90% of players are b/e or losing and 99% of them wont even dream about beating msnl while bots have possitive winrates at nl400++ means nothing to you ? you must be some micro fish to write that

I don't believe William Hill have done or would do anything remotely shady. they have too much to lose in their wider gambling operations and they are just not that kind of entity.

I can't say the same about Playtech (Ipoker) on the other hand. I note that their statement doesn't say that "bot771107" is not a bot, just not a house bot (okay, so it could be a bot operated by an affiliated company or another party). It would inspire more confidence if, when presented with evidence of bot activity, they countered the evidence rather than just saying "don't worry, we've checked it out and its not a bot."

it's not a waste of time. ipoker need to do something about it and we are trying to convince/make them. it's just as much about the reputation of online poker as it is the rep of any site.

just fyi, as you are so clueless about this matter, there are the same set of bots on party and ongame, beating $400nl+.

This is precisely what I mean, the skins need to raise their concerns to ipoker too, after all you're the guys paying a portion of your net rake to Ipoker and this has potential consequences to your business.

Sorry but this is a pointless exercise as all you'll be doing is forwarding the matter on to ipoker security.


http://www.playtech.com/html/page/re...cements/26/111

I'm not suggesting for a moment they would, but playtech aka ipoker aren't far off being majority share holders, that may never actually happen but they have a vested interest in William Hill Online (not to be confused with the separate entity William Hill)

Very well, just stop playing there. Simple as that. Why the hell would you waste time and energy trying to convince them when it's perfectly clear that they won't do nothing about it?

It's not 2006 anymore. Rooms were used to have incredible revenues but those times are over. Some countries are getting banned, others are working on regulation etc. The true is that in 4 or 5 years the unregulated poker rooms lost over 400 million potential clients. What were they expecting? To win fortunes at the same rate they were winning 5 years ago?
Well some are definitely trying, by running their bots or simple just by not doing nothing to independent programmers that infest the networks with bots.

Hello sexyjesus,

I think you misunderstood my post. We cannot "speak for" iPoker in this thread, since people complained that the iPoker rep just jumped into the thread to post the statement and after that disappeared without answering any questions.

Of course it does bother us when potential suspicious activities take place, but that is the case for all iPoker skins and the network operator as well. And yes, of course we also get in touch with iPoker and raise our concerns as network skin.

Best regards,

Poker770

nvm

Sorry for my misunderstanding then.

So you can confirm that you have clear evidence and documentation that proves that nothing illegal is going on the network? Or at least that they are doing everything in their power to prevent such things to happen on the network.

understand yet?

I understand. But you want to fix something that could only be fixed by other people. And that other people apparently don't care about the reputation of online poker, and supposedly they should be the most interested part in this whole story.

Want to do something for online poker? Leave those shady poker rooms and move to one that has a good reputation and actually cares a bit more about online poker. If every one do this the network will eventually die and without even noticing you'll be making a huge contribution to clean the online poker.

The thing is that most bots, if all,run on micro limits. And on those limits there arent tough players which would exploit the bots.

The bots are exploiting those weak players.
Those players are not organized and dont use forums like this one.
Most of them are very recreational ones.

The bots have to be stopped, finally.

in before machines takes over humanity...

if there are bots playing 3-4 tables beating NL400+ on Ipoker, then what makes u think there aren't atleast couple of them on Stars? how would they detect them? bot owners could even be sitting all time while bots play and watch movie on other monitor, make some adjustments etc. and doing it for 5-6h a day. imagine how much money they take out of poker economy? also if there are 2 owners who share profits they might adjust their bots to team up or softplay each other in some spots gaining +edge.

Ok, so your suggestion is to give up? FWIW I think that they do care, they just don't have the detection software. Even though players are super sure of what accounts are bots, it would be pretty hard to prove 100% that they are bots if the people running them were careful enough. That's why it's such a ****ty spot for everyone concerned.

Ok lets all regs leave ipoker, party and ongame, leaving the bots all the fish. You are completly insane sir.

Your problem is you care more about the others than about yourself.

I don't have anymore helpful advices, sorry.

Great lets leave stars with no competition.
Guaranteed you will be paying more then 0,10 rake for your 1 $ sit n go's.

As far as I know iPoker isn't the only rival PokerStars have. I really wouldn't be concerned if iPoker closed is business. But that's me.
Of course some people worries more about PokerStars turning into a monopoly than being scammed by the room where they play.

That's the fun about life. I like this, you like that. Who cares, the world will keep spinning no matter what.

Re-read thread, read others threads then post when you have full picture pls

This needs editing, omit word helpful. Ur attack on poker770 is unjustified. The rep comes here to try and work with players to take back to ipoker. It is the players that play mid stakes+ that are spotting these more sophisticated bots, and it's us that need to provide the skins with evidence (since ipoker can't detect them). The skins themselves can't do anymore than gather info and relay it to and from, then if things are proven and ipoker don't act maybe they have a decision about the integrity of their brand and association with the ipoker network.

And fwiw its not just a stars monopoly that stops everyone jumping ship. It has been said before, companies such as blue sq, William hill paddy power etcetc have a better and longer reputation than stars. Stars are market leaders in terms of poker security, but my money is safer with the uk bookmakers.

Well, hi all. My name is Oleg, i'm russian, so please forgive me for bad English.

I used to play with several bots a year ago in iPoker. Here their names:
sttan

evbor

Jokep69

guntas

shikakanoid


I haven't got enough time to copy past their pictures of PTR graphs. You can do it. Here names of other bots:
Hatles
vokmal
rakemashina
spanchbobs
entarion
Silleks
chenbro
gon4iypes
matyaskiraly
Demsen
andirey
astrapot
cynical
gusargenya
tumaser
vokmal

Rumoroff
zYPAz
Gulleks


Most of all have the same date of registration : January 2010. Also they have same mistakes. Due to this bots, i 've beat nl10 with fantastic winrate.

Here is my graph nl10 in Oktober 2010:



Some of bots are still playing now, some of them not playing. Anyway it's very bad, that iPoker do NOTHING.