I was actually just now considering to start playing on party poker again (haven't played there in a couple of years for various reasons). But after reading this thread I just wanted to say that it immediately convinced me to discard that idea. I've had problems like this in the past - actually FTP locked up 2.6k of my money before stars purchased it (at which point I was finally able to get the money back) and scummy practices like this tilt me to no end. Get ****ed party poker.

How much did Jorgen lose to him, can you tell?

Obviosuly agreed. Or at the very least, present the circumstantial evidence. For instance, the question of my low volume was deemed circumstantial evidence in this thread but I presented why this in fact was not the case and I believe the evidence for that has pretty much convinced everyone in the thread. So I am obv very frustrated.

I´m not sure how crazy I can go, I just want what is fair. I have done nothing wrong here.

In a way yes, in a way I am paranoid that this was their plan all along to make me feel like this is some sort of victory. Having my account closed being completely innocent is what really weighs on me, that is a big percentage of the 5 or so sites I play that now disappears.

I cant remember but according to PTR he lost, and the player he lost to is still playing on Party yes. He lost a smaller amount to this player (about 1800), and obv only one of us can be "guilty", so that had to be me it seems.

Monteroy, thank you. How would one find a reg that would do this for a percentage of the fee? I would gladly do that. And which Party thread do you mean specifically and what criteria should I be looking for in the reg? What would make Party listen to this person?

So far have never had any problems with them, this has obviously been a devastating experience to me.

Yes. He lost a lot less to this player, so obv I they can only deem one player guilty in a situation like this and it seems it had to be me.

Like mentioned, never had any issues with them before this, I am shocked by all this.

Joke from party, not playing there ever again

$1887 according to PTR but it also says ali won just $6000 but the emails say they are confescating 9000 euros so I'm guessing it's missing some hands

This is just ridiculous.

If he is guilty of chipdumping take his BR if he is not give him his money back.

So basically PartyPoker is freerolling every single player on party poker. If you lose you lose, if you win you might get your money.

Well partly that, and partly the fact that they might have to close your accoutn as well for consistency.

Have you spoken to the UK Gambling commission? Even if you aren't in the UK, Party are licensed by them, and this could just as easily have happened to a UK player. I would hope they would look at this. Did anyone lose to this player?

Pretty absurd Party would give you back any $ at all if their evidence was that strong. Have a hard time believing their story.

I seriously have no idea what to do. I don´t know if there at this point, is any chance of them reviewing this decision or how to continue this process. I feel really terrible and very stressed out about this. Every single person in this thread, even those initially skeptical, have agreed that this case is strongly in my favour with the evidence presented, which seems to be EXTEMELY rare in these kind of cases. How Party in good faith reaches a different conclusion I have no idea about. I am at my wits end here.

what country do you play in? maybe somebody on here knows something you could do in your jurisdiction that might help.

Looks like party poker has really tarnished their image in the way they handled this. I hope people blow them up to persuade them to do the right think pay op his money and reopen his account with an apology.

**** partypoker. I was just about to put a roll on there for mtt's but after this thread I will not be touching this toilet of a site after this. I hope others do the same.

I was gonna write some cliffs, but the walls of text gave me a headache and I had trouble finding the important details.

Party said: "The funds confiscated in this process is €9302 and your available balance after this reversal is $12216.09."

That euro sign is a typo, and not an additional thousand dollar money-grab I presume?

I have not. This might be my next step, the NJ regulator has also been mentioned. I feel so zapped out of power by now with this whole thing, but I need to just keep going and that is some very good advice for the next step, thank you.

Sweden, in case that might give anyone any ideas on how to tackle this.

Thank you Zecko. They are free to post their circumstantial evidence in this thread if they believe they have a strong enough case, which I know they do not.

Thank you for the support, I hope they rectify this oherwise this sets a very bad precedent for how these things are handled by them.

Arty - this is correct regarding the sums. In a nutshell:

My account gets locked, they say its a routine id check. After I supply that, they say its in regards to possible chipdumping with player JorgenLer. I ask them to clarify. Instead of doing that, they close the account and seize all funds. I put up a 2+2 post and send them a breakdown of all major hands played Pretty much everyone in the thread thinks Party is at fault asfter additional concerns are adressed by me. After which they reopen the investigation. After postponing the deadline 6 times they come back and say my account will remain closed forever and funds won from player seized, rest of the funds given back. They say that whilst the gameplay may look ok (they seem not to be able to provide ANY suspicious hh´s), the circumstantial evidence is "overwhelming". They will not say what that evidence is.

That is where we are at.

Isn't there a party poker rep on 2 plus 2 that can shed some light on this? I think op has proven was unjustly accused which is not an easy feat.

Colette is frequently posting in the official Party Poker thread.

Should ask colette for assistance op or have someone alert her to this thread.

Good luck with the UKGC!

I can guarantee someone did after the plr pool segregation scandal a couple of yrs back

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I'm sure Colette knows about this thread and the issue and I'm sure many on Party know about it as well. I'm sure these threads got you the 2nd review.

Doubt they'll make a public statement regarding stuff like this and even if they do, they at least won't release anymore info in it.

That doesn't mean you should stop fighting. If you haven't left any details out, you are clearly innocent and should put pressure on them via every possible way.

I just can't understand how there can be a middleground like this. Either you received a chipdump which they caught. In that case they could've and should've taken all your money. If you are innocent, you deserve all the money.

Feels to me like the money you won was deposited via stolen credit card or something (like someone already wrote ITT) and Party is making up excuses to keep the money to cover those deposits.

Hey OP. I can't offer any concrete help but I do have a bit of advice (assuming your story is accurate, and yes so far I'm a believer).

You're obviously super stressed. Yes the situation sucks - but you need to relax a bit now and just go through the process. It's going to take a bit more time. You may or may not win, but being hyper stressed for the whole duration isn't going to help (even though it's understandable). Think of something to calm you down. Progress. You've got more than half the funds back - that's a huge win compared to where you were a week ago. Keep that in mind, try to keep logically working through your options, listen to good advice, and work through the possibilities. It may take a while but you can do that. Progress.

If they persist to take the money without deliver evidence, then I am pretty sure that they will lose long-term much more than this saved $9300. Deliver evidence is the basic for every claim. No evidence = no claim!

The Gambling Commission's complaints system is very specific - see http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...ansaction.aspx - and they do not help individuals, directly.

Make sure you follow their "How to raise a dispute" guidelines, diligently:

"All licence holders must have a clear policy on dealing with disputes about gambling transactions. The process to follow in raising a dispute should be readily available to you in writing or on the operator’s website:
Step 1 . Ask for a copy of the operator’s disputes procedures.
Step 2. Raise your dispute with the licence holder concerned, following their procedures and providing as much detail as possible about your dispute. Ideally, you should keep a full record of the dispute.
Step 3. The licence holder should investigate the dispute, escalating as necessary, following their internal procedure and informing you of the outcome.
Step 4. If you are not satisfied with the outcome, you may refer the dispute to the appointed independent third party (also known as the Alternative Dispute Resolution or ADR entity) for investigation. The independent third party that is relevant for your dispute must be named in the operator’s dispute procedures or you can ask the operator for their contact details. The referral to the ADR entity is free of charge for customers, although you may be asked to provide information to the ADR entity (such as copies of relevant documents) at your own cost.
Step 5. The ADR entity may then contact you in the course of their investigation; and will provide you with the note of their decision.
Step 6. If you remain unsatisfied with the decision of the ADR entity you have the option to refer the matter to the courts. Civil legal action would normally start in the County Courts or High Court (in England, Wales and Northern Ireland), depending on the circumstances of the case. In Scotland, most small claims are started in the Sheriff Courts.
So that your dispute is handled as efficiently as possible, you should always follow the licence holder’s complaints procedure in the first instance."

If you end up having to go to court, (but hopefully the ADR will agree with you), unfortunately you have a very long road ahead of you.

I agree completely with everything you said. Regarding the details of the case:

I HAVE LEFT NOTHING OUT, HONESTLY. All hands are uploaded, the full email correspondence has been sent to one of the posters in this thread. At this point, you know just as much about this case as I do.

OMB, thank you very much. You are correct, and I am definitely thinking about ways in which to aproach this where I see the bigger picture and calm myself down. I will keep working on that and be patient. Thanks to you both of you for showing an interest in the thread.