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I don't understand why we can't organise ourselves in exactly the same way as the French did. It took them about a week to get the rake lowered. There is no reason why the members of 2+2 shouldn't be able to do exactly the same. We are the ones with the power we just need to get organised.

I was pretty suprised how quickly stars caved in to the pressure, but they did.

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12-21-2010 , 10:00 AM

#177

reverie

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Originally Posted by Ankimo

RB pro = majority of your profit is in the form of RB

If you increase RB percentages, it makes sense that you will entice more people to grind 24 tables nittily in order to receive RB+awards and care less about winning.

The flipside is, if you removed rake/rakeback, do you think you'd have as many break even grinders playing 24 tables nonstop (the way we have now)?

What's the difference between 1% rake at the micros and 5% rake with 80% rakeback?

this isn't a christmas cracker joke.

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12-21-2010 , 05:01 PM

#178

CheckCheckFold

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,577

Awesome avatars!

Thanks for doing this.

Rake is ridiculously high! Paid over 4k in rake this month so far. What a rip off!

I totally agree that the small increment effect is really what gets you. I would never pay a subscription fee of $5000/month to play poker or for anything! That's more than a mortgage payment for a million dollar house. That's insane.

Yet, because it is in small increments, I pay this every month. WTF is wrong with me.

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12-21-2010 , 07:43 PM

#179

GeleHaas

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I'll support this, hope we really get somewhere. I also pay thousands of $ rake every month just to play this game.

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12-21-2010 , 08:44 PM

#180

BoredSocial

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,018

Yeah I've basically quit playing online altogether. Rake live is very reasonable. It's more money per hand than online- but the players are drunk. Playing 200nl with drunk people who can't beat 2nl is +EV even with a higher rake. Until stars can deliver me the fish it doesn't make sense anymore.

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12-22-2010 , 12:10 AM

#181

hobokes

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Originally Posted by CheckCheckFold

good point --- pretty crazy

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12-22-2010 , 12:25 AM

#182

jglsd1

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Originally Posted by buck22

Gotta be done..

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needs way more love

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12-22-2010 , 12:31 AM

#183

CheckCheckFold

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Originally Posted by buck22

Gotta be done..

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haha! someone makes this an avatar please!

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12-22-2010 , 12:51 AM

#184

Sub-Zer0118

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Originally Posted by Aek203

QFT

This. I mean seriously, how can we not do this?

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12-22-2010 , 02:51 AM

#185

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by Ankimo

Sigh.

So I guess the RB pros would be really happy if the sites increased the rake to 20% - they'd get 4x the RB!!!

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12-22-2010 , 01:04 PM

#186

Spence

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Sigh.

So I guess the RB pros would be really happy if the sites increased the rake to 20% - they'd get 4x the RB!!!

I think 100% would be better. EZ Game

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12-23-2010 , 12:18 AM

#187

MahJongMan

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Originally Posted by Ankimo

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This is a very pathetic stance you present. You argue that their future is uncertain as a defense for them overcharging you for the service they provide??!?!? I bet you're a pillow biter.

I live in France and pay an outrageous amount of rake /100 h. I've been talking about that with other players forever.
I was just expressing doubts regarding the possibility of organizing globally.

Saying it's a tough fight is not defending their stance on the subject.

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12-23-2010 , 12:49 AM

#188

M07

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99.99999999999999% of us will be broke soon.

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12-23-2010 , 04:25 PM

#189

Sub-Zer0118

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mass sit out or lock imo.

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12-24-2010 , 08:56 AM

#190

sandharpie

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To make a point, everyone could move to WPEX for a week.

The 8 players that are normally on there would cream their pants........

Just before their servers crashed, obviously.

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12-24-2010 , 10:48 AM

#191

MetalSpork

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Has anyone made "U gonna get raked" yet? I'll take one of those

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12-24-2010 , 12:46 PM

#192

d0nk3y

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Last edited by d0nk3y; 12-24-2010 at 12:52 PM.

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12-24-2010 , 01:05 PM

#193

Sub-Zer0118

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Woooo! Great Avatars !

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12-24-2010 , 02:32 PM

#194

MetalSpork

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TYVM Sir, I'm sure those will fly off the shelves

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12-24-2010 , 04:36 PM

#195

short3

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I completely agree with op. And I have thought of solutions. There could be a player site, started by players and run by players, and no rake. Money should come from advertising and donations. Is it possible? I think so if the site got enough credibility and enough players.
Another naive dream of mine would be that Google went in to poker and made it free and simple like all their other products. Why not? The pokerworld is so corrupt and many players would go over to google because there products are of the highest quality and they are a well renouned company with a high credibility.

Last edited by short3; 12-24-2010 at 04:51 PM.

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12-25-2010 , 06:47 PM

#196

Sub-Zer0118

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Now seriously, lets not let this thread die, I'm sick of rake.

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12-26-2010 , 01:40 PM

#197

Do it Right

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Originally Posted by short3

I completely agree with op. And I have thought of solutions. There could be a player site, started by players and run by players, and no rake. Money should come from advertising and donations. Is it possible? I think so if the site got enough credibility and enough players.

This is already in the works right now: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...munity-938389/

The thread ended up getting closed by 2+2 but the project is obviously continuing.

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12-26-2010 , 04:21 PM

#198

jspill

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5 stars

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12-26-2010 , 05:38 PM

#199

___SK___

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I'd participate if i was allowed to play.

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12-26-2010 , 06:01 PM

#200

solucky

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Originally Posted by MahJongMan

In france its not really the rake..stars simple ship the tax to the players instead to lower the rake.

Why should they reduce the rake as long as people play ?

Its not in the interest from the industry, there interest is to increase the profit as much as possible.

Instead to reduce the rake they also can go back to better bonusoffers to attract fish.

The rake itself was the same last years, problem is that it is harder to beat the rake

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