im a 6max player too...increasing the rake and making the games faster (imo they become faster/at least more crappier at the early blind-levels) is pretty sick...

the lower buy ins (23+2 old compared to the 20+1.9 new) will cost me around 2,5-3,5k a year...

i have always been very loyal to ps, playing 100% of my games there, but as it looks now it may leaves no other option than to leave and sign up at a new poker room

tough bad beat but as a full time player i have to get over it, and i will...gg stars

Somebody with photoshop skillz needs to make one of these:



It just needs Isai Scheinberg up there at the top and the writing at the bottom replaced with "16s SNG players" and it'd almost be there!

Juk

FT (reluctantly) has to be the way for serious 6max at any speed. With rakeback has always been the better option from that point of view, moreso now the structures are similar.

Someone make the petition thread re game structure already

Dear Pokerstars, are you going to fix this mess anytime soon? I would really like to get back to grinding already.

Supernova grinder here of former 3.25's - 60$ 45s 180s and 18s.

I have not yet reached a conclusion as to whether or not I like the changes. I will need to test it out for a few weeks and get a couple thousand games in. But at a glance... my reaction is 'consistent' with most of the posters in this thread.

1. The rake has been increased (to our outright dismay). Although... it might make games softer?~???

2. The time bank is an unnecessary change (from 15s to 45s... 3x is too much of a change). But that might mean I can play more tables now. Not quite sure on this one.

3. And tinkering with blind structures... i'll have to test it out. The quicker learners may get an edge for a while.

4. The buy-ins are lowered... but perhaps will increase traffic.

5. The payouts should be alot crispier than the mess they have been changed to... Its just ugly as of now.


I suggest Stars let us try it out for a month or 2, then make changes according to our suggestions. But next time.. DO NOT make SUDDEN changes. We should be warned first. We are the customers of your site and do not like sudden/outrageous/extreme/negative suprises.

I will report my experience in May the first week of June.

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1. The rake has been increased (to our outright dismay). Although... it might make games softer?~???



this tilts me.

I'm still very disappointed that Stars didn't say anything about this yet. I want to get back to my grinding and just don't want/have any will to play with this structures. If you want to keep rake this high than be it but please please PLEASE bring old structures back as this ****ed up the game big time Really disappointed about the lack of consideration Stars showed to regulars..

[QUOTE=Agasajo;26472008] I completely understand how it tilts you. But you cant deny that some regs would quit because of it. Whether its good or bad for traffic... we'll see. I'd expect it to be bad for traffic. I'd imagine in the long run, it would be a lose-lose proposition due to the decrease in volume.

To add, although the games would be softer, the rake is still higher. Therefore, the added edge in softness of the games could be counterbalanced by the increased rake. It isnt clear which way the pendulum will swing.

Yay for Hyper-Turbos.

Boo for structure changes.

Boo for rake increases.

Yes, the time bank will allow more tables to be played but "stalling" will become a more prevalent tactic and mean that far less hands will be played in these tournies overall. This will increase variance and diminsh the edge for better players as less +ev spots can be found

Can someone post the structure for the $5 hyper-turbos? Thanks.

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you have a point but everyone will be losing more/winning less and it's not even close.

Anyone else a fan of the fact the 4 man finals is now standard to the first round? I am, I am.

I completely understand how it tilts you. But you cant deny that some regs would quit because of it.

I said a lot of Regs would quit when the DON's were axed

People on here said i was mad & it'd never stop Pro's from grinding

I haven't seen a good 80% of them play since !

bahahhahha

I like the new structure fwiw. But somehow the endgames seem to have shallower stacks which results in shorter 6/5handed bubble games and thus less edge..

If this is the case, the new structure has less edge AND more rake, obv awfull combination

*** are you babblin on about ??????????????????

I always hate to read any release which begins "we've listened to our players and..."

Listened to who!? Total and utter f..ing B.S.

More turbos offered = more profit into pokerstars' pockets. Sigh... Pokerstars used to be the online venue with the greatest choice of blind structures. I am very angry to see that now pokerstars is just becoming more and more turbo (ie., faster profits) focused.

Don't pokerstars someday want to pursue the poker = skill argument? Skill most certainly goes out the window with all these dumb all in "hyper blind" affairs.

More & More turbo's ... Where ... I can't find them

Came on to say just this, i play the $10 and $20 18man turbos, and every late game is such a luckfest, totally negates any edge i have

The early levels are nice but could we have extended blinds from 250/500 onwards to say 4 minutes?

some observations about the 15 + 1 (grinders)... grinders naturally gravitate to sng with a lower rake... to say that the % of rake should be the same across all games is silly... thats like say everyone should be taxed at the same rate whether they make $10000, $100000, or $1000000 a year...

one of the reasons the 15 +1 is full of grinders is because of the ROI, increase the rake and u lower the ROI... the new 20 + 1.70 is a unreasonable rake and not competitive with what other (sites) offer... grinders will not stay, they will go where they can make the best ROI... for me, if that means i have to grind at two other sites at the same time then thats what I will do... I am not addicted to pokerstars, I AM addicted to ensuring I have the best ROI possible, not to a site...

which is quite smart, for as I see it this fiasco is nothing more then an absolute marketing nightmare and it could not have been done in a worse way or at a worse time. I like many others, have been watching where the amercians flock to so that if (as i expect) the grinding window is suddenly shortened by 4 hours with the loss of so many north american players off of pokerstars then i will take at least 1/3 of my grinding action elseware... NOW, after playing the 20 + 1.70 and suddenly seeing a 10x longer wait to get each game going, that is not in my best interest.

i wouldnt even hazard a guess as to the numbers of grinders at the 15 +1... but i would guess it to be in the 1000's... all of which are now being asked to pay an additional $1400 in rake a month (2000 games x .70c)... this in association with a REDUCED player pool (and fewer games played) will result in a lowering of the ROI from grinding... so thus... many will jump ship

This entire fiasco reeks of corporate greed and incompetence... hey pokerstars can do whatever they want... BUT I as a consumer can as well, and at this moment unless I see something very very soon ill be taking 70% of my business elseware. $20 + 1.35-1.40 would have been reasonable... BUT, that extra .35is $700 a month minimum out of my pocket, x 12 months... thats $8400 i would rather keep thank you...

saying rake should be the same % across the board is beyond silly, reg speed/turbo/don should always have a rake which is representative of the risk/reward to the player vs the investment (the way it was)...

IF you want to make the rake EVEN across the board, then WHY are the rewards also not EVEN across the board? IF all rakes are an equal %, then i would suggest that ALL players should be getting the TOP LEVEL of rakeback (45% I believe) vs being treated as 1st class, 2nd class, 3rd class (e.g. bronze, silver, gold...)

This HAS to rank as the BIGGEST pokersite FUBAR ever!!! The longer it goes unresolved the worse it looks on the site...

whats the reason u think? I mean i could be wrong but it really seems so

They can't even get the games headed correctly

Every 50/50 at Every stake currently reads ...

HALF OF THE FIELD WILL BE PAID $10 + $0.33 PER 100 CHIPS IN THEIR FINISHING STACK

lets see if they honor that