can anyone tell me average rakeback for 5000 or 1000 hands at nl25 & nl50
(playing about 18/12)

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Holy crap! I had to double check this post to make sure I hadn't written it. This, word for word, could have come from my mouth.

Alter Ego?

Ok, i'll give you an honest answer that shows a good hole in my game, as my answer is spew, assuming little prior knowledge. Since I do not think I am good enough to fold here to a random, I call the reraise hope it freezes betting and and re-evaluate the turn. If he bets 2/3 pot or more on a blank turn I probably fold and kick myself for not folding the flop. If he bets 1/2 pot or less I probably spew spew spew until I get stacked by TQ or a set, or let the diamond draw/random ten fall on the river.

It is pretty much the worst possible play you can make, but the stack sizes are pretty gross for this hand and frankly I am lost a bit and have no clue where I am at.

Other scenarios where I spew this hand:
If we had 100 BBS I say f it and shove the flop.

If I am down on the session at 160bbs I say f it and shove the flop.

If I am up 160 BBs and it is the end of the session I say f it and fold the flop.

If he was 25/20 I shove flop.

If he was 10/5 I fold flop.


You said you wanted an answer...just not a good one. I think I just let the gods of variance take over here. Hopefully i got 4 good outs if I guess wrong then can call it "balancing my range" when I suck out with an ace on the river.

Shrug I was just kinda being facetious

helpful advice...humm - shoving is easilly worst and you can make a case for calling/folding

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 873544
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $421.15
BTN: $58.05
SB: $203.00
Hero (BB): $209.25
UTG: $688.15
UTG+1: $203.90
UTG+2: $206.20
MP1: $190.00
MP2: $324.30

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 8 7
6 folds, BTN raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) 6 9 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($17.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($17.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN raises to $50.05 all in, Hero calls $40.05

Final Pot: $117.10
BTN shows 6 6 (four of a kind, Sixes)
Hero mucks 8 7
BTN wins $114.10
(Rake: $3.00)

can this dude see my hand or something.. wtf @ turn

I'm probably leading turn. C-bet sizing makes it seem like he doesn't have a hand he will be double barreling a lot.

No he realized the turn was a dangerous card or wanted to be sneaky like you thought you were being.



Why slow play the turn?
I fold to this shove in a heartbeat

Sounds like we may have a similar playing style

oh didn't realize checking back there is standard. 3 hands beat him out of the like infinite range that's flatting min pf, small flop. seemed like there were a ton of hands he could extract value from but on review i guess they will all have decent equity. meh, think i just suck and am tilted. carry on.

obv his check back is terrible and it's a 100% bet. unlucky.

i tried rush poker and im down 20 buyins at nl10... it's just insane.
and i am a winner at all stakes up to nl100 in regular cash games...

Takes some adjustment. Question is down 20 buy ins by bad beats or bad play?

I'm guessing about 6.

not so thinly veiled bad beat post. Gauging eyes out now with a fork.

Ye, I guess. 12 buyins under allinev and tons of coolers. For example I am losing with KK and AKo. Oversetted like there is no tomorrow.
It's my worst run ever, and I've played since 2005. Luckily it happens at nl10.

standard good bad or terrible?

also just for fun i played 12,000 hands today. i played 100 and 50 to mass multitable

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 875845
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $100.65
BB: $275.95
Hero (UTG): $267.35
UTG+1: $105.15
UTG+2: $38.65
MP1: $73.65
MP2: $91.75
CO: $207.50
BTN: $185.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with 2 2
Hero raises to $2.50, 4 folds, CO calls $2.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.00) 2 Q T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, BB raises to $20, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $15, CO folds

Turn: ($53.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $35, Hero calls $35

River: ($123.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $80, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

I don't even understand how it is possible, but Marc Karam is playing 16 tables of RUSH right now (4 .5/1 6-max, 4 .5/1 FR, 4 1/2 6-max, 4 1/2 FR). I thought I was badass when I was able to handle 18 tabling regular tables on Stars and felt good that I never got lost 4-tabling Rush. Now I will feel so lame if I can't at least move up to 8 tables of Rush.

Read? Would he play A/Q this way? I think a lot of people would.

marc is a flat out beast with how many hands he can play

i just started 8 tabling and it was 2500 hands an hour (i was playing nitty)

god knows how he does it with 16

ps a friend of marc's told me he won 10k in one day at rush not including rakeback or hourly payment.

that is pretty sick

I think almost no one would. 260 bbs deep? Highly doubt it.

I just downloaded the latest beta version of PT3. I made a slight mod to my HUD and now the stats won;t show up on my tables. Anyone have any idea why this is?

no read on the guy, i might well have made a mistake

my only read was he bet in a rhythm so quickly that it just seemed like he always had it. i didnt explain that well but his actions just happened at a speed that he had a monster

im worried now he might have qt sometimes there

also i think i made a mistake because he was swiss and turned out to be a losing player i ptr'd him after the session

but at the end of the day i would bet even money had tt there

still perhaps should have been a call

i didnt think aq was in his range if it was its a tiny percentage.

i think most of the time it is a snap call, and maybe it was here.

i just thought i wasn't good often enough, but with no read other than how the hand played out and timing tells maybe that is terrible

Is it just me or is this an instasnap?

fwiw, the change I made is that I tried to add a popup menu. Maybe I screwed this up? How can I make it differentiate between stats to popup, meaning I want popup A to come up for some stats and popup B for other stats?

I could not get the latest version to work on rush without making any mods.

I re-uploaded the non-beta update and seems to be okay, but I am getting some HH upload errors that self-correct when I stop/restart import.

He is probably practicing for his impending prop bet...60k hands in a day must show profit.