Official 2011 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat - Page 447 - Internet Poker

It seems like you don't get it.

Phase could have easily continued to play his normal game, where he does make a profit even before rakeback. Instead he decide to play another game which saves him time but will cost him money, yes it actually costs him money.
So why would he do it? Obviously because he feel like the time he save is worth more than the money he lose.

So with a couple of days left he have to decide whether he want to continue to play like normal or find someone who who doesn't have a too big edge on him and set up a match. It's either A or B, he can't mix both of them because then he don't save enough time so it doesn't make any sense.
Unless Phase is delusional he won't find anyone to play him, unless the other person have some kind of incentive. The way stars VIP program works you need to make less profit in the game the closer you get to the next VIP level, because you either make it or you don't. So the only personal that mets his criterion would have to be someone close to the next stage in the VIP program.

You know when Stars announce their milestone hands, would you say that everyone that usually 4-6 table but now 24 table is abusing the system as well? They accept less profit ingame due to the bonus system.
That's what every rakeback grinder does, they aim for the highest hourly rate and accept that they will make less at the tables.

As I've stated above it makes perfect sense for Phase to play this guy even without some kind transfer afterwards. Since we have no proof what so ever that they agreed on something like that, he should be seen as innocent until proven guilty.

+1 well written

Stars have become very greedy lately.
He didnät flip but even if he did I think he should be allowed to as much as he wants as he still pay the rake and stars make a profit from him from the full year. But I guess the profit stars make is not enough. They want more shore term profit and are willing to take the risk that Phase change site.

Maybe the Stars managers are close to a bonus based on profit from the current year....

12-31-2011 , 10:41 AM

#11152

bohus04

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Thats pretty gross Phase&dogmeat. I mean, I can understand that for Stars it seems to be quite suspicious but to take away vpps based just solely on a suspicious and without any proof is very atroucious. Wtf, does Stars apply a presumption of guilty?

You both obv deserve to get SNE, I even quite doubt its gonna be +ev for Stars if they dont give it to you(for obvious reasons). Gl, I hope it solves allright for you both.

12-31-2011 , 10:42 AM

#11153

nicegame

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 637

Quote:

Originally Posted by phasE89

wtf? please tell me how can some1 achieve more then 60% rakeback on Stars

wtf, I am really not sure if you are just trolling or if you misunderstood the whole situation.

You are the one that shows the way you want to angleshoot with your first sentence. Should I explain, again (someone else already did, both this year and in previous years), that you are getting the 20k bonus plus the 5x multiplier next year for 8k in rake? Not just more than 100%, in fact more than 250%. Are you going to say that you didn't notice this?

Now some people seem to support you because they are annoyed with Stars due to other reasons, but any other year everyone understood this, just like everyone understands the angleshoot with the 70th billion hand, or what others did in the x2 VPP days.

12-31-2011 , 11:52 AM

#11154

waxdabox

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by fredjackson

So next year my goal was to play 2.5m hands at .4vpp/hand and breakeven. Play 1200 hands/hour for 2083 hours and make $50/hour when I hit SNE.

Now I have a 28% reduction in vpp... So I will need to play 3.379m hands at .296vpp/hand. Play 1200 hands/hour for 2816 hours and make $36.95/hour

Which is of course impossible to play that often.

So if I maintain the same amount of hands played, I will have 2083x1200x.296=740k vpp

Will earn around $46.6k if I breakeven for an hourly winrate of $22.37/hour

So with these changes, my hourly expectation next year goes from $50/hour to $22.37/hour with the exact same volume and winrate

Does Stars really think I am going to play 1200 hands an hour for 2083 hours to make $22/hour. Seriously? if PS was publicly traded I would be shorting the crap out of it.

My stats are 23/21 6max

Happy New Year

12-31-2011 , 12:01 PM

#11155

Bruut99

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,819

You play cap?

12-31-2011 , 12:29 PM

#11156

stevster77

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lol @ shaniac coming into this thread to support the stars ruling in the phasE89 situation.. we all appreciate the unbiased and objective opinion.

shaniac, how about your thoughts on your employer screwing over all their highest volume costumers and SNEs with the new rake structure? i'm sure everyone would also appreciate your unbiased commentary......... what a joke.

12-31-2011 , 12:34 PM

#11157

Reckless_Abandon

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Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 238

I'd really like to hear directly from Steve in this thread. Are they planning any major changes to offset the loss (not some freeroll nonsense). What's the rationale behind devaluing the high volume players so much? Would you agree that we are being devalued?

Are all you guys using PT3 to calculate WC?

12-31-2011 , 12:37 PM

#11158

JonIrenicus

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This is from my CAP hands. It seems you can get more with WC if you play laggier. So it seems I am one of the SNEs that benefit from the change, however I hope it won't kill off some of the game types.

On a side note even though I am about 1ptbb at 2-4 and 1.3ptbb at 3-6(speaking in EV because otherwise...grrr!!!) I am losing at 1-2 cap at ~0.5ptbb so I don't see how CAP can survive bellow 2-4. And we can imagine what happens with those regs...

Last edited by JonIrenicus; 12-31-2011 at 12:53 PM.

12-31-2011 , 01:11 PM

#11159

Juanx

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonIrenicus

These comparisons in December?

It would be nice to see an example annual 2mm or 1mm hands CAP games

December is always the worst month for the Dealt method vpp/hand down a hell of a CAP NL100 0.36vpp/hand step to 0.32vpp/hand

CAP NL200 0.49vpp/hand in 0.50vpp/hand to 0.39vpp/hand 0.44/hand

sry for my English

Edit: WC > 0.55 VPP/hand for NL200/400/600 month CAP? I do not think you are winning with WC

Last edited by Juanx; 12-31-2011 at 01:32 PM.

12-31-2011 , 01:51 PM

#11160

dickkemp

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did stars get rid of its guarantees today?

12-31-2011 , 01:59 PM

#11161

Juanx

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickkemp

did stars get rid of its guarantees today?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanS-PS

We have removed the guarantees from all cash non-satellites on Saturday. The regular schedule will run, but without guarantees. Additionally, many satellite tournaments which we anticipate would not run properly (or perhaps at all) due to the very low (compared to normal) anticipated turnout have been removed from the schedule for this Saturday, and will return next week.

The normal tournament schedule, including guarantees, will resume on January 1st.

yes

12-31-2011 , 02:11 PM

#11162

dickkemp

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Ty, and ZOMG NOW I AM FURIUOS!!! THAT IS A MONEY GRAB!!!

12-31-2011 , 02:25 PM

#11163

HiLo66

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God forbid they'd have an overlay for once...

WTF is going on at Stars, who is making the calls there?

12-31-2011 , 02:54 PM

#11164

dickkemp

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12-31-2011 , 03:21 PM

#11165

F### Forever

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonIrenicus

Can I ask you what your stats are?

12-31-2011 , 03:24 PM

#11166

rothko

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nicegame

You seem to be missing the key point that he could have completed SNE in his own games. He stood to gain time not money.

12-31-2011 , 03:26 PM

#11167

rothko

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HiLo66

God forbid they'd have an overlay for once...

WTF is going on at Stars, who is making the calls there?

c'mon. ur being silly.

12-31-2011 , 03:26 PM

#11168

PokerStars Caleb

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12-31-2011 , 03:33 PM

#11169

Admania

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerStars Caleb

congrats to all you guys who did this, much respect. It's a shame that Stars is screwing its most valuable players, disgraceful

12-31-2011 , 03:41 PM

#11170

BradST

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 414

All the negative announcements from stars are wrecking what should be the best day of the year to watch this thread. Other years we had insane grinds and photo finishes to rail on. Sadly that drama has been replaced by the new Stars is a monopoly drama.

12-31-2011 , 03:47 PM

#11171

shaniac

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stevster77

I wasn't "supporting the Stars ruling," I was just pointing out that his explanation seemed very illogical and triggered my BS detector. Like I also said, I hope he's innocent and gets cleared.

I don't have anything to add about the rake changes, as I'm not a cash game player and I'm just observing the situation, and like you say, I am biased. But I certainly don't like to see a bunch of Stars players unhappy.

Lastly, Stars is not my "employer."

Thanks for the obnoxious/trollish tone of your comments + happy new year.

12-31-2011 , 03:54 PM

#11172

Sect7G

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Give those men their SNE. This would be a disgrace to top off Stars month long string of disgraces. 2 years ago this wouldn't even be a debate with Stars Mgmt. WTF has happened.

12-31-2011 , 04:57 PM

#11173

napsus

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someone needs to start SNE 2012 thread

planning it for 2013 so very keen to follow

12-31-2011 , 05:26 PM

#11174

bbfreak

journeyman

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 317

yes somebody has to start^^
i play sng's. i dont know which format i should play. some suggestions?
hypers unbeatable and too swingy.

- 9mans + 18mans? or
- fifty 50 or
something else? hyper cash?