Forgot that aspect. Thanks for correcting me.

Basically it's like getting 1/5th of the milestone between 1M and 1.25M. That milestone is $10K. 1/5th of that is obviously $2k. Therefore, the 50k points seems to be worth about $2k at best (unless of course that 50k is exactly what somebody needs to go from SN to SNE.)

minus the 50K fpp's to buy the milestone

yea really not a fan of the VPP thing being next year. i am sure they lost a ton of money last year though. i dont like it because i thought the VPPs were kind of a make up for those who wanted to play but it would cost them too many VPP earning hours to play the ME. i know that isnt making sense the way i like it to, translater?

translater:

For a high-volume online player, the time-equity in not being able to grind but rather play in the WSOP Main Event is an issue. Getting the VPP's this year rather then next could be the deciding-factor in even playing.

If it was this year I'd likely buy into it with FPP's. Being next year I don't know if I can afford the time off away from grinding. If a player is already a SN it should make no difference to Pstars assuming the player is loyal to Pokerstars next year.

I would've paid good money to watch this happen.

to me the wsop package seems like its worth about
50kvpp($5000value-$2800fpp loss) =$2200
free pca for cashing (15%*13500) =2025
supernova hosting= $200
$1,000,000 bonus= 1000000/8000 =125
grand total value = $4550

Huh?

Based on the calculations at fpppro.com and 2010 VIP rules:

- if you choose the 2 most valuable tourneys (Monte Carlo and PCA), you'll get $140k for SNE
- 1/20 of it is $7k
- 50k VPP are worth $4k
- hence, the 50k VPP are worth $3k and less if you choose different tourneys

Same is true, if you start the year as SN...

This is assuming it gets you to a milestone (or sne) you wouldn't otherwise get. If you intend to play a lot anyway and it gets you to 1.1 mil vpps or something then it's worth nothing at all. So 5-6K is overstating it's value (even excluding the fpp issue)

Exactly.

LOL at people saying they 'lowered the rake' because they give more rakeback. If you really think that is the same thing, you are just too funny

Yea this is exactly what i was thinking....I'm already behind pace and taking a full week off without getting any vpps might not be a possibility, I really think they should make it a possibility saying that if we play that we could choose to get the 50k vpps at the end of the year if we really need them. PSSTEVE could you please ask if this could be a possibility as it seems this would be a deciding factor for many of us loyal pokerstars players in whether we can be able to play or not. You don't have to give us the 50k vpps right away but rather on dec. 31st if we need those to hit 1 million instead of on jan. 1st???? Just an idea to get what seems like atleast 10 ppl in this thread to play.

they're not identically the same thing but increasing rakeback means I'm paying less rake this year just as if they had reduced the rake. It has the same impact on my real winrate.

Which is better for the games I'm not sure.

Ok - for some people it's worth nothing, for others it is worth $55k. Better?

i was going to get 1.05 million VPP's in 2011 and i wasn't planning on cashing in the ME, guess this promo means nothing stars, thanks for nothing

No. It might be worth a lot to people who play their little hearts out and can only get to 950K vpps. I wonder how many people will get to between 950K and 1mil vpps this year?

Basically it allows people to stop at 950K vpps. Sure, this is good for some who really struggle to make it, but generally those same people could have pushed on and made more money getting to 1mil (assuming they aren't losing players including FPPs)

It is impossible to put a $ amount on it as it depends entirely on how many vpps you would have otherwise got.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4965

If I understand correctly (and its very possible I don't), then there will be an NAPT Main Event/Final that hasn't been announced yet and will hopefully be a 10k.

Come on - it's obvious that you can't know a precise $ amount 18 months in advance, it's just an estimate. For some people it will turn out to be worth more than the pro-rata amount, for others it will be worth less, but the average should be pretty damn close. I'd be surprised if there's anyone who doesn't appreciate having the options to either play a bit less and still reach SNE or play a bit more and go for 1.25M.

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ty zinger very well put. and wow how are we all doing the same math and every one getting a different answer?

It is only worth more than 5K for people that can get to 950K but not to 1mil vpps. Like, no one. For everyone else it's worth a lot less.

Add 50k vpps to everyones account at the end of this year and what would be the average increase to peoples balances? Bout tree fiddy, right

Of course everyone appreciates a few vpps, but no way I'm valuing it at 5K.

Says the guy who doesn't want them to lower the rake because he'll get less rakeback.

They are effectively the same thing. I seriously doubt you are trying to make a linguistic claim here, and if you are making a mathematical claim, you lost any credibility when you claimed that cutting the rake on proposed cap or short tables would hurt ss'ers who rely on rakeback.

FWIW, email # 5 in the "My Apology" tab is one of the best emails I've ever read. Reading an email like that from Stars gives me a really good feeling about the quality of support / security from them.

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