No, they just eg. start sitting in 0.9 seconds where legit people are sitting in 0.8 to 2 seconds. So now to catch 0.9 second people who claim they are legit you gotta search their computer to find some obscure ahk file or some ****.

But the real question is why does it deserve a ban? Sitting in 1 second or 0.1 seconds is basically the same ****, so this is a moot discussion. Both are terrible for the game.

Dear XXXXXXXX

Our security team has noticed that you are sitting down at new tables at an incredibly fast rate. We just want to inform you that using an autosit script is against TOS and if this continues we will have to look into this activity. It should be noted that this is a bannable offense if you are found guilty of using this software.

Yours truly, Pokerstars.





Lets see how many continue to use the script afterwards.


The point is that the fish get to play with more players afterwards so they do not feel like they are getting attacked by a select few who always sit to their left every time they sit down. No it's not a fix all solution, but currently there are no fix all solutions, and this is a good start.

Me and my friends also don't like HUDs, or Note Caddy, or Table Scanners in general, so please draft a similar e-mail so Pokerstars takes care of all your needs and bans all of the things you don't like currently, and in the future.

I suggest you read through the thread again so you have a basic understanding of the topic at hand and can therefore stop spewing nonsense and completely irrelevant posts.

exactly, no reg is going to risk his bankroll or getting kicked off the biggest site out there for his jesus seat script. Its also not like sharkscope because you cant effectively keep anyone from looking at it while they play because all they have to do is use a laptop. However a laptop isnt going to be able to auto seat you.

A lot of people do think Note Caddy is bad for the games and something the sites should ban.

I suggest you change your attitude and understand that Pokerstars doesn't owe you fresh fish everyday, nor do they have to spend money on staff to monitor your meal while you ingest said fish without unwanted disruption from anyone else who might want said fish as well.

Alternatively, you don't have to change your attitude. You could just start games, help the poker economy, and be in all of the games with the fish as well. Up to you

The most recent posts itt have been about whether it is possible to spot people using the autosit script. How can you spot someone using note caddy?

Your assumption that everyone complaining about this script doesn't start tables is a pretty poor assumption by the way. If anything these players are taken advantage of the most. And fwiw yes I do start tables sometimes.

YOU are misinformed if you ask that question.

And YOU don't get to decide what's relevant or not. That's your attitude problem.

PS - Pokerstars could solve the entire issue by waiting 3 seconds or whatever after someone sat down to display their name so they wouldn't feel hunted. But you don't care about that kind of thing, I'm sure.

It's not an assumption, it's obvious when I sit down and play every single day. And thats why there's something called TABLE STARTERS because not a lot of people do it.

Uhh I think you somehow managed to pose and answer the question while still refuting it. Wp

Stars could stop this if they made it a priority. I'm assuming these programs work when you've taken a note on the player through the lobby... label him green for example. If Stars see's you joining tables in under 1 second to the left of a labelled player you'd get detected. If you do this x number of times to ensure it's not a coincidence then they could email you and give you a final warning. After that bye bye funds.

That's kind of the point, why should it be a priority? It has a tremendous cost for such a little upshot. At best people sit within 1 second instead of 0.8 seconds or whatever amount that "looks legit" but isn't. Even in the best possible case, where you can snap your fingers and no one uses software to sit (which isn't even a reality), competition is driving down the average time to sit, so people will still sit (legitimately) incredibly fast. That's not a real solution anyways.

I've been working on the real solution (Table Starters) and I encourage other people to participate in solutions such as the discussion on that feature, not just whining.

^^^ bro are you serious?... without the supply of "fresh fish" the games would be dead... the rake is too high to sustain micro to midstakes without whales

i am a bit irritated, but i guess what you state is your personal opinion, right?

please explain what tremendous costs are associated to preventing automated scans of running tables?

First, the scan itself is 100% unenforcable and can be outsourced. The lobby is something anyone has information about. So even eg. some external private server can send your computer a giant DING when there is a good game you should sit, or IM you or whatever. That IM is impossible to police. So now you have the lobby open with the correct filters so you only get eg. 6m games at your stake with open seats (not that many.) When you get an IM that has its sound turned all the way up (so you hear the ding), you click the lobby and press "r" and tableninja sits you at the table. Your eyes don't have to be glued to the lobby now, and you enjoy a big advantage.

Okay, now lets talk about programs running on the clients computer that do press the button. This is only thinly enforcable. Yes people that sit in 0.01 seconds will get banned but people will use programs with "human-like" sitting patterns (or within reasonable doubt.) To catch them therefore you need to scan their computer for arbitrary software (yes you can catch some named software program by scanning processes, eg. "Autositter Pro" (just made that name up, don't want to use real names of software.) ), but to catch arbitrary and custom AHKs that do little more than look for if a pixel is colored in a certain way and then press a button if so is going to be really freaking hard.

Also as a cost, say you hire a couple people to manually investigate whether a 0.7second sitter is pressing the R button with his finger or with a program and be in charge of this, this is a substantial cost for basically no difference and for a problem that will disappear once TS becomes a reality sitewide.

Of course. But it is not Pokerstars' responsibility to make sure each regular who complains gets to play with these whales. There are not enough whales per regular, so someone is going to get to, and a lot of people aren't. Right now, this is about people who feel Pokerstars needs to protect their right to go whaling (i.e to play in these games) when Pokerstars SHOULD be responsible for other things like keeping the games fair and honest and reliable, and that's about it. There has never been any explicit or implicit promise that Pokerstars would, or should, do more. Pokerstars does their job, they do it well, and we should be thankful for that - not ask them to de-legitimize our competitors who are behaving ethically and fairly and get in the middle of one group of regulars' problems with another group. That's not their job as long as everyone is acting within the rules.

It's just so obvious that if people were concerned about fairness, there would be about 10 better places to look where one player has an advantage over another player by using a third party tool. Nobody complains about those things because they use them themselves so they're considered A-OK. Even when people blatently break the rules (datamining, PTR, etc) people don't care since everyone's doing it. It's gross how little people care about the rules until they affect them. Then suddenly they're authorities on the rules, they cherish the rules - so much so, in fact, that they think they should be able to comment on and shape what the rules should be. Gross.

The bizarre fascination people have with "seating scripts" whatever those are isn't based on how fair or unfair they are, or whether they are good or bad for the games - it's based simply on "I don't have it, I have a vague idea that it hurts my ability to hunt fish, ban it" because... that will benefit me and my group of reg friends who want to continue business as usual. Despite the fact that other people may have had a good idea that was/is totally within the rules and we didn't, we think we should be able to stop them from doing something because.... we're loud and we can pretend we're motivated by something altruistic, even though clearly we're not. And even though we'd gladly sit next to a fish in .1 seconds as well, and we do when we can, we'd like to stop other people from being able to do so more often than we can. It's hypocrisy and dishonesty, nothing more, and nothing less, and anyone who claims otherwise is basically full of it.

yeah, this ignores the fact that the only people it serves if Pokerstars "bans" some sort of software like this are a tiny group of complaining regulars. And it doesn't do a single thing to help solve the actual problem which is that people don't start tables.

That's what I mean when I say these players think pokerstars owes them that rather large cost for some bizarre reason so that they can get equal access to all whales that pokerstars also pays for through advertising. Makes no sense, grow up. Nobody owes you anything.

I'll say it again... what's wrong with a 3 second delay every time someone sits at a table so they don't feel "hunted" despite the fact that we are ALL hunting them whether you admit it or not.

You still have to have skills and now how to play the game in order to win money. Just because you have some stupid seat script running while your banging your mom doesn't mean when you come back that you are guaranteed money. You still have to be able to play the game well enough to "exploit" the so called fish.

A bot can play better than you, while you are gone, so yes that is wrong. Having some little program that scans the lobby while your banging your mom is way different. Its an edge. So if you want to be fair take away all the edges like huds, hotkeys, notecaddy etc.

Lets be real though....you take away jesus seat then someone will find something else to bitch about. monitor size, avatars, training sites, blah blah blah. When someone is doing something better than another, those people will always find a way to bitch and complain because they have small penises.

Hotel made me LOL though. Well played.

I would hate it and would probably consider leaving PS for another site.

I also have to laugh at the stance they seem to be taking that table selection is not a " logical " application to ones poker game.

Of course if one wanted to stay at PS they could just sign up under the new system you suggested and then as soon as they are called to a table and its not to their liking, they could just leave it.

For me this would just be a big waste of my time and since it would be that, it would also be costing me money.

Some would say that as it is now, I still can leave a table if I am called, and this much is true. I am never forced to sit anywhere that I do not like but at the same time, I am at least using some skill choosing the table that I would like to play with and I do not need PS just randomly throwing inferior tables my way minute by minute.

Again, for some, you may like this but for me it would not be worth staying there under those conditions.

+1 They would be out of their mind to continue and yet, I bet we would still have a few 2p2 threads about a players account being banned " for no reason " when some toolios tried to press their luck.

^^^ i was only calling you out on your ridiculous statement about how its not stars prerogative to supply fresh fish... without the fish there would be no games for the website to make money... see where i was going??

it is in stars best interest to provide the best environment for the players who are primarily playing the game to make $, as well as provide entertainment for the recreationals

lol, do you not read the forums? People bitch about this other stuff all the time. Plenty of people wish HUDS would go away (we just know they never will because the sites make a **** TON of money because of them), everyone complained about PTR, theres a HUGE ass thread about how note caddy should be illegal. These arent some backwater home brewed programs no one has access to this is **** everyone uses, so its not like they are complaining just cuz they dont have access to it



you really should stop acting like you know what everyone is thinking, because it makes you look really stupid

I don't agree that sites make a ton of money from HUDs. Sites make more money when the player pool have winrates that are closer together.

One might think that HUDs make the game more appealing for regs to grind, which improves PS profit, but I think this is mistaken. Rec $ either goes to PS or regs. If the game is more appealing for a reg because they can win more (due to using a hud), then more regs will compete and ultimately take more of the recreational money. Finally, a regs winrate increasing has a depressive effect on recreational players because they lose faster and are less likely to continue playing.

It seems much more likely that huds and other things exist straight up because they can't police it all. This makes complete sense due to the ridiculous nature of trying to police it (for example someone can have pokertracker on a desktop and search other players while playing on a laptop.)

one of my StackAndTile users actually offered me good money to build one of these scripts for him

i turned it down

but with all this hooplah maybe i should try to build it after all. we'll see. i'm kinda tired of programming