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12-31-2011 , 09:18 AM

#1326

Ugly

centurion

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 169

I(4-time supernova FR ) nominate JH1

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12-31-2011 , 09:42 AM

#1327

PokerStars Steve

PokerStars Poker Room

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,002

I see a lot of support for Hood, Klairic, and JH1, all of whom we would be happy to invite. Do these players as a group have the support of the players? Do players feel like there is at least one of these players they will trust to represent them?

We may add another player or two to make sure we have a proper cross-section. It is important that the fixed limit community in particular is represented. Additionally, substitutions to the above players may be required if there are scheduling conflicts or a player decides not to visit.

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12-31-2011 , 09:44 AM

#1328

brajdic

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 15

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

They have our support. Can you just tell us when these negotiations will take place? An how will things be tomorrow? And also why is there difference betwen sh and fr multiplier if not anything else?

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12-31-2011 , 09:53 AM

#1329

Sr Amarillo

stranger

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 14

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

You are just reading what you want to read. We are mainly asking for 2 things:

-Negotiation to be online
-Remove every change until, we can reach an agreement.

You just focus on your IOM meeting, when we have a real problem tomorrow.

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12-31-2011 , 09:54 AM

#1330

cal26

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 28

These players seems to have good knowledge and have my support.
But what will happen tomorrow? will you continue as you have planed, ore stop the changes until you have come to an agrement with your players?
Would be +Ev for everyone, Stars and players if you did wait with any change until an agrement is done.

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12-31-2011 , 10:00 AM

#1331

doctesseractyl

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 172

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Hood-yes
Klairic-maybe
JH1-maybe

It's tough to tell but just by reading through this thread, that's my 2cents.

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12-31-2011 , 10:02 AM

#1332

Admania

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 407

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Originally Posted by Sr Amarillo

+1, you need to start listening and start acting, meetings down the line with NDA agreements is not the problem. How could you not have forseen this situation. I mean it was blatantly obvious that your most loyal customers would not just take this. You have had since earlier this month to sort this out when you mentioned the change and the uproar began.

It's time to start delivering now, it's too late for meetings in months time. What you have done to your most prized assets (your players who pay you) is frankly unforgivable

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12-31-2011 , 10:03 AM

#1333

gmiko

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 100

Are you seriously going to fly over there to negotiate in their house, behind closed doors, and sign NDA's? That should not be done under any circumstances! Why are people even considering this?

Also, Pokerstars, one short post per day which ignores everything and everyone is not a dialogue.

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12-31-2011 , 10:12 AM

#1334

cal26

newbie

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 28

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Originally Posted by gmiko

Could not agree more, these players can represent us, but it must be an totally open dialog so that everyone can se and understand what is going on. Signing NDA`s will make the whole thing useless.

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12-31-2011 , 10:14 AM

#1335

sdrf

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 794

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Originally Posted by jrryjrryjin

1. rake caps of .5/1/1.5/2/3 for 2/3/4/5/6+ handed play
2. linear rake, 3.5% at .01/.02; 3.75% at .02/.05; 4% at .05/.1; 4.25% at .1/25 and .25/.5; 4.5% at .5/1 and higher
3. new rake caps, 1$ at .01/.02 up to .05/.1; 1.5$ at .1/.25; 2$ .5/1; 2.5$ 1/2; 3$ at 2/4 and higher
4. something that makes sense for FL

I want to put this forward as an official suggestion / 'demand' that I'd like to see considered and discussed. I have explained it in more detail in the other thread, but I believe this to be a full compensation for the change to WC that will benefit games on Stars as a whole the most.

+1

First set of demands I've seen that seems to consider most levels of play.

Forget the multipliers and happy hours. Use rake and rake caps to compensate for the value lost by players due to the wc change.

Use 'the meeting' to determine exactly how much that value will be.

Then Stars should throw in an extra .25 rake reduction across the board for a year as a penalty for the way they've handled this.

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12-31-2011 , 10:45 AM

#1336

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

As a 2012 full time player I fully support the protest and I'll be a part of the action, if required. I just came back from holidays and noticed what is going on. Could anybody, please, advise, which thread is the best to follow, as there are too many of them everywhere and there is certainly no time to read everything?

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12-31-2011 , 10:46 AM

#1337

BennyQuack

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,280

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Originally Posted by gmiko

It would be a school boy error to reject negotiation offerings on the basis of the poor location. I do think an NDA is justified for a lot of statistics as they have a lot of worth in the industry but other than that i don't think it's needed.

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12-31-2011 , 10:50 AM

#1338

gmiko

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 100

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Originally Posted by BennyQuack

It would also be a school boy error not to negotiate the location itself.

So many people are acting like they own us.

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12-31-2011 , 11:02 AM

#1339

shoemaker

adept

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 825

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Originally Posted by PAROOVKA

Follow this one, and your participation is definitly required (if feasible of course). If you can't make it for whatever reason, it would help if you spread the word (twitter, facebook, friends etc).

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12-31-2011 , 11:16 AM

#1340

Stinky Stu

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,202

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Originally Posted by gmiko

He's right. This is a terrible idea.

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12-31-2011 , 11:19 AM

#1341

Gyakutenno

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22

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Originally Posted by PAROOVKA

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12-31-2011 , 11:22 AM

#1342

luckproof

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,935

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Steve we really need all changes put on hold until the negotiations are over, I believe most people here want this, and it's the right thing to do. Can your next post please include a response to that particular demand? That way we can all take a deep breathe, move on and work out the nominations/logistics of the negotiations. Thanks.

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12-31-2011 , 11:24 AM

#1343

bored_poker

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 2

I also don't see why the commitee have to fly to the Isle of Man, if not for luxury threatment to soften them up.
NDA's can be justified tho, in the sense of dealing with confidental data, but if its happening i think it would be best to invite a very good lawyer to the commitee.
For me the whole thing looks like going to the lions den.

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12-31-2011 , 11:28 AM

#1344

shoemaker

adept

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 825

Couldn't they just sign a NDA and do it via skype conference call or whatever? (No experience with these things, might be dumb suggestion)

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12-31-2011 , 11:38 AM

#1345

TheMetetrown

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,287

Steve,

1) What is the purpose of bringing people to the IOM? Why are these discussions not held online and/or in public?

2) What is your time frame for completing these discussions?

3) What are you planning on doing in the mean time regarding changes to the rake calculations for the VIP program?

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12-31-2011 , 11:39 AM

#1346

TheMetetrown

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,287

I'm probably OK with the three listed, but I still do not think that is enough players and I'd like to see Noah included as well as some more players.

I also don't think any of this is necessary at all.