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07-28-2008 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
I think we have done pretty well since PartyBill made the devs concentrate on fixing bugs. This is the first bug I can remember that's slipped through since he started... Before that the client would crash 2/3 times everyday for me (I put up with that for nearly 10 months!). We also had the two instances of the disappearing buttons bug and then there was the bugged "Party Bets" spambar that ate 100% CPU. Overall things are MUCH better than they used to be!

Juk
Hasn't the waitlist bug been present for months with pretty much no response or action from Bill?
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07-28-2008 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Uczenrybka
Is it just me or has the Party Points page stopped counting?

My points earned towards the weekly goal is still at zero and the bar conting towards the next multiplier bonus is completely blank.
It sometimes takes a while to get going - also try checking the version from within the HTML pages as the one in the "My Account" popup seems broken today.

Juk
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07-28-2008 , 09:41 PM
Thanks, HTML page working fine.
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07-29-2008 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
Assuming you can keep up with your weekly goal indefinitely then in theory we are now getting quite alot more than we used to. Assuming you start with a weekly goal of zero and are a "Deuce 4" player: then you will get 60% of 8x2 (=9.6%) back immediately and then 16x2 (=16%) back after meeting your future weekly goal(s). So this amounts to 25.6% effective rakeback as opposed to the 15% effective rakeback we got from the old system (7.5x multiplier).

I agree we have to jump through hoops to get it, but are the hoops really that much worse than playing at Stars (ie: no easy/direct way to turn FPP into cash, no need to play ridiculous amounts to get to SN/SNE, no level expiry, etc)?

The only problem is, IMO, that the system has now got so complex that it's not all that obvious you can now get rakeback at a level similar to the other big sites.

Juk

PS: Just realized as soon as I posted all that that the 25.6% rakeback only really works out like with the "starting from a goal of zero" assumption. So if you were to earn X points in the first week and then each week after play enough to match exactly your weekly goal, then as the 10 week average started to converge your rakeback would also start to converge back to 16% and the 25.6% would only be effective on the amount generated in the first week (when you had a zero point goal). Even so it's still better for players like me who like to play lots for a few weeks then have a few weeks break and I think based on my point goal "yo-yo-ing" I'm gonna end up getting something like 20% effective rakeback from the new system.
No Juk, this is wrong. They managed to trick you with that whole "extra points you win will be available on the next weeks, you just need to redeem them" thing.

Before: you scored 10k points you got 10k points.

Now: you score 10k points you get something between 6k and 10k points

Do you realize there is no possible way that the new system is better than the previous one? There is no such thing as 25% or 20% rb. They make the system so complicated so that you will think you're making more.
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07-29-2008 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lotus guardian
No Juk, this is wrong. They managed to trick you with that whole "extra points you win will be available on the next weeks, you just need to redeem them" thing.

Before: you scored 10k points you got 10k points.

Now: you score 10k points you get something between 6k and 10k points

Do you realize there is no possible way that the new system is better than the previous one? There is no such thing as 25% or 20% rb. They make the system so complicated so that you will think you're making more.
Regardless of that, the system just got improved for sure.
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07-29-2008 , 01:19 AM
and big time.
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07-29-2008 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork

I think we have done pretty well since PartyBill made the devs concentrate on fixing bugs. This is the first bug I can remember that's slipped through since he started... Before that the client would crash 2/3 times everyday for me (I put up with that for nearly 10 months!). We also had the two instances of the disappearing buttons bug and then there was the bugged "Party Bets" spambar that ate 100% CPU. Overall things are MUCH better than they used to be!
I agree.

I was very frustrated when I wrote that post. Things have indeed been improving.
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07-29-2008 , 05:38 AM
i have experienced second day in a row that pockertracker hud does not work properly (misassigment of stats). Is this some sort of bug?
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07-29-2008 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lotus guardian
No Juk, this is wrong. They managed to trick you with that whole "extra points you win will be available on the next weeks, you just need to redeem them" thing.

Before: you scored 10k points you got 10k points.

Now: you score 10k points you get something between 6k and 10k points

Do you realize there is no possible way that the new system is better than the previous one? There is no such thing as 25% or 20% rb. They make the system so complicated so that you will think you're making more.
Yep I see now: I'd forgotten that the initial points you earn when going over your weekly goal in the first week don't count and are effectively lost forever. I was counting them at 100%/160% instead of 0%/60% for the old/new "weekly goal" system... Doh.

Juk
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07-29-2008 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by elbarto
i have experienced second day in a row that pockertracker hud does not work properly (misassigment of stats). Is this some sort of bug?
Try posting in the Software forum or the sponsored PT-support forum - you might get more help there.

Juk
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07-29-2008 , 09:59 AM
Wait, the 60% thing is worse than before?
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07-29-2008 , 10:32 AM
60 < 100 imo
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07-29-2008 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LozColbert
Wait, the 60% thing is worse than before?
You get 60% from the points you earn more than your weekly goal, really generous!
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07-29-2008 , 12:25 PM
I'm still not playing more than my weekly goal. 60%, I mean what kind of incentive is that? It's like your boss saying "if you work overtime we'll pay you 60% of your normal salary". I think someone already mentioned that it should be more than 100% for exceeding your goal, then I might actually put in some more hours.

Yes, yes, I realize that it's better than previously but it's still a crappy deal.

Oh and the fact that Party advertises the Bonus Zone points as "160% value" tilts the **** out of me.
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07-29-2008 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Overi
I'm still not playing more than my weekly goal. 60%, I mean what kind of incentive is that? It's like your boss saying "if you work overtime we'll pay you 60% of your normal salary". I think someone already mentioned that it should be more than 100% for exceeding your goal, then I might actually put in some more hours.

Yes, yes, I realize that it's better than previously but it's still a crappy deal.

Oh and the fact that Party advertises the Bonus Zone points as "160% value" tilts the **** out of me.
On the upside a lot of players will now eventually make deuces who never had a chance before - after all, you have to play quite extensively/at high stakes to make 20k PPs each quarter. I didn't make deuces before, but will now. Granted, I probably still would have made it under the old system now, but anyway...

Still, while Party _is_ improving they still have quite a long way to go before they can compete with either of their Euro main competitors (Ongame/iPoker has waaaay bigger rakeback) or the big US-facing sites (Stars with better built-in rakeback or FTP with outright rakeback + small bonuses).
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07-29-2008 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ubeticall
You get 60% from the points you earn more than your weekly goal, really generous!
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Oh and the fact that Party advertises the Bonus Zone points as "160% value" tilts the **** out of me.
To be fair with Party, you get 60% of the points in excess of your weekly goal immediately at the end of the week, AND you'll be able to convert these same points again into reward points as part of the weekly goals of the following weeks...that's why they advertise "160% value". Of course you'll be somewhere between 60% and 160% if you don't reach your weekly goal at some point during the next ten weeks... But you'll be probably not too far from the 100% of the previous (=pre-weekly goal) system if playing somewhat regularly.

Although I'm not a high volume player, I notice I already got the 60% points of the bonus zone for my play during the previous week (before it was advertised to me...)
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07-29-2008 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LozColbert
Wait, the 60% thing is worse than before?
It's an improvement on the new system, but it's still considerably worse than the old system where you got 100% of all the points scored.

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On the upside a lot of players will now eventually make deuces who never had a chance before - after all, you have to play quite extensively/at high stakes to make 20k PPs each quarter. I didn't make deuces before, but will now. Granted, I probably still would have made it under the old system now, but anyway...
This is the only thing that makes me not totally hate this system, because I'm one of this players that had trouble keeping the deuces status and under this system I will eventually make it and keep it. But then I wonder if they won't change the system when I'm almost there like they did a few times before.
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07-29-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by angelface
To be fair with Party, you get 60% of the points in excess of your weekly goal immediately at the end of the week, AND you'll be able to convert these same points again into reward points as part of the weekly goals of the following weeks...that's why they advertise "160% value".
C'mon, I understand the logic behind the 160% but that's just a ******ed way to twist the numbers (= marketing, I get it). According to this formula excess points before this whole 60% thingy had "100% value" even though they only increased your future goal (and thus required you to play for two points to get one single point).
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07-29-2008 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Uczenrybka
Is it just me or has the Party Points page stopped counting?

My points earned towards the weekly goal is still at zero and the bar conting towards the next multiplier bonus is completely blank.
Same here:



Works fine in web browser though...

Is anyone else experiencing the problem?

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07-29-2008 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BCQ
Same here:

Works fine in web browser though...

Is anyone else experiencing the problem?
Yup, as said before in the thread
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07-29-2008 , 08:52 PM
PartyBill, can we just confirm that Party is aware of the flickering/100%-CPU-use "Seat Available" bug?

Opening a single table and sitting very quickly seems to be an acceptable workaround for the time being, but I wouldn't want to have to do that for the long term...

Juk
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07-29-2008 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulman
Yup, as said before in the thread
Is everyone experiencing the problem?
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07-29-2008 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BCQ
Is everyone experiencing the problem?
I think so - mine also looks just like your picture, but is fine in the HTML pages.

Juk
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07-29-2008 , 10:41 PM
How did you guys find out what Points Means Cash bonus you earned? I signed up for it but haven't received any email or notification of any bonus or kickback.
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07-29-2008 , 11:21 PM
Join waitlist button not appearing is VERY annoying.

My computer seems to be a lot more sluggish since the update also but that could just be in my head.
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