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08-12-2010 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
i just want to take this time to thank you personally for motivating me to make a change after you publicly humiliated me...[snip]
So...do you have any sort of HH or math proof to go along with pretty upswong graphs, or is this just a "See, I exploited it, but I won't show anything other than graphs!" type thing?
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Originally Posted by ydward
Another dog**** deal that was so smelly it could be seen throught like a window without any glass in it:

okerStars Game #48070787452: Tournament #298749804, Freeroll 8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit) - Level LVI (3000/6000)
I feel terrible for you, so I've shipped your buyin back to you on FT.
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08-12-2010 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Is this a real saying? A couple things:

1) Usually you can see through windows whether or not they have glass in it. That's why they are windows.

2) What does the sense of smell have anything to do with being able to see through something?
dude he had kings in omaha ffs why shouldnt he be able to pout about losing with the k and the k in omaha poker.
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08-12-2010 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
...but given time to gather enough hand histories...
How many of your two and a half years at 40 hours a week were on IPoker? You should have plenty of hands in no time.

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Originally Posted by ydward
YanceyWard said, "lol, had kings again"
Resorted to calling out your cards in the middle of a hand as if you weren't a big enough douchebag already?
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08-12-2010 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by anglefish
I have no input on the RNG.

However, I was very aware that the seating in STTs and MTTs, 18 months ago was far from random. Surely, anyone who played during this period and earlier would have been aware of this!

Could someone explain if there is or is not a connection between the part of the software that randomly generates seating and who gets the button and that of the generation of cards?
random data often exhibits clusters of data points which is counterintuitive and is interpreted by our brains as non-random.
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08-12-2010 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Resorted to calling out your cards in the middle of a hand as if you weren't a big enough douchebag already?
I was going to note this. What an *******.
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08-12-2010 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
dude he had kings in omaha ffs why shouldnt he be able to pout about losing with the k and the k in omaha poker.
Because he could make a fortune introducing his community to see-through glass and doing paid interviews explaining his nose-vision.
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08-12-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
Bobo,

calling someone a "trolltard" or "rigtard" as you have done illustrates personally attacking someone because you disagree with them.
Please stick to the facts. I haven't called anyone a trolltard or a rigtard in this thread. I've never even seen the word trolltard before now, and I don't know that I've ever called anyone a rigtard, but if I have, it wasn't recently.

I did, however, call you a troll, and it was because of stuff like this:

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Originally Posted by karmabling
Your ignornance about computer science is clearly evident. Pointing this out is not attacking you but simply stating that we are unable to have a meaningful discussion because you are not educated concerning the topic.

Karma
We are unable to have a meaningful discussion because all you would do is continually restate that the fact that Cake had security issues means you can guarantee their RNG isn't random, until you finally backed down from that assertion recently.
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08-12-2010 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
i just want to take this time to thank you personally for motivating me to make a change after you publicly humiliated me... a change for the better a change that was needed a change that is gonna save my life... i appreciate all the shills in this thread who motivated me to figure out the workings of the rng and to realize there is more to it then mathematically true based results and exploit it for once in my life to increase my ev and now my actual ev distribution of chips is starting to match up..... ty very much shills... Thank you so much for motivating me to change. I would like to point out a quote from a very intelligent man.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

*these results are not from 1 omg bink its a bunch of small 1k and 2k scores in mtts adding up.




Congrats. I think.

What you wrote is a tad bit baffling, but if you are suggesting your results are because you learned how to exploit the RnG flaws and rigs then all I can suggest to you at this time is to move up many more levels in buy ins to really make a ton from that knowledge. I see no downside to me in you doing this.


If you are actually saying you realize a lot of your previous stuff was life tilt based whining and you calmed down and properly worked on your game then I would offer a genuine congratulations.


I am kind of sensing it is a weird "I told you so" you are trying to say (but again you were not very clear as usual). In either case you still likely have the emotional degen gambler issue to deal with the former situation representing a deeper dive into degen behavior even with an upswing.


Why don't you give back to the community and teach the guy posting all the freeroll bad beats how to work the rig and RnG. In fact why don't you actually explain in detail all the RnG based adjustments you have made - you can potentially be a hero to riggies everywhere.

At least until variance does it's thing.


All the best.
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08-12-2010 , 06:34 PM
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Another dog**** deal that was so smelly it could be seen throught like a window without any glass in it:
Don't beat a dead horse in the mouth. It's not exactly rocket surgery. Once you open a can of worms, they always come home to roost.

You’ve buttered your bread, now lie in it.
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08-12-2010 , 06:35 PM
Just fattened the thread by moving the silly rigged RNG exchange with karmabling from the Cake feedback thread to here.
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08-12-2010 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Please stick to the facts. I haven't called anyone a trolltard or a rigtard in this thread. I've never even seen the word trolltard before now, and I don't know that I've ever called anyone a rigtard, but if I have, it wasn't recently.

I did, however, call you a troll, and it was because of stuff like this:


We are unable to have a meaningful discussion because all you would do is continually restate that the fact that Cake had security issues means you can guarantee their RNG isn't random, until you finally backed down from that assertion recently.
Bobo,

You stated this
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"The problem is, karmatroll..."
which is a personal attack. I was incorrect in stating that you used trolltard but the meaning is identical. It is meant to inflame and insult the poster--because you disagree with them.

Furthermore, because the encryption vulnerability has existed for 18 months, people could have obtained large samples of hand history data with known hole cards and determined if there exists bias in cake networks PRNG. This could be exploited and would be extremely hard to detect. DUCY.

Furthermore, has the beta client 2.0 been audited by TST labs?

Also, I will stand behind my claim that I guarantee that the cake PRNG is not truly random. There is a reason FTP/Stars do not use PRNG. DUCY.

Finally, you do not have the training to have a meaningful conversation about RNG and etc concerning computer science. You do not know anything about algorithms nor their analysis. What you do is simply assume that anyone questioning the RNG is incorrect and this is based on what technical expertise--none.

Karma
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08-12-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
So...do you have any sort of HH or math proof to go along with pretty upswong graphs, or is this just a "See, I exploited it, but I won't show anything other than graphs!" type thing?
T.
what would u like a picture of my genitals? no but seriously what would u like i guess exploited was a bad word.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Congrats. I think.

What you wrote is a tad bit baffling, but if you are suggesting your results are because you learned how to exploit the RnG flaws and rigs then all I can suggest to you at this time is to move up many more levels in buy ins to really make a ton from that knowledge. I see no downside to me in you doing this.


If you are actually saying you realize a lot of your previous stuff was life tilt based whining and you calmed down and properly worked on your game then I would offer a genuine congratulations.


I am kind of sensing it is a weird "I told you so" you are trying to say (but again you were not very clear as usual). In either case you still likely have the emotional degen gambler issue to deal with the former situation representing a deeper dive into degen behavior even with an upswing.


Why don't you give back to the community and teach the guy posting all the freeroll bad beats how to work the rig and RnG. In fact why don't you actually explain in detail all the RnG based adjustments you have made - you can potentially be a hero to riggies everywhere.

At least until variance does it's thing.


All the best.
sigh what a hater... i make a post thanking you and u have to dig it in.
soon my training site will be up and running... so dont u worry oh and the variance u talk about was def not on my side i dont consider these graphs at all to be an upswing.. my upswing has soon yet to come... when i start winning tourneys then ull see... all that profit came from a bunch of 3rd thru 15th finishes... yeah .. ill figure the rest out soon enough then ill have all the chickens.

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08-12-2010 , 06:49 PM
A riggie who can't get anyone to listen:

Spoiler:



Last edited by spadebidder; 08-12-2010 at 07:01 PM.
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08-12-2010 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Just fattened the thread by moving the silly rigged RNG exchange with karmabling from the Cake feedback thread to here.
not cool dude, I had absolutely no interest in posting in the rigtard thread like eva, and now my image is tainted forever. ty sir!
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08-12-2010 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
Bobo,

You stated this which is a personal attack. I was incorrect in stating that you used trolltard but the meaning is identical. It is meant to inflame and insult the poster--because you disagree with them.
No, I called you a troll because IMO you were acting like one; restating the same thing repeatedly while refusing to discuss it in a rational manner.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
Furthermore, because the encryption vulnerability has existed for 18 months, people could have obtained large samples of hand history data with known hole cards and determined if there exists bias in cake networks PRNG. This could be exploited and would be extremely hard to detect. DUCY.
Of course that's possible.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
Also, I will stand behind my claim that I guarantee that the cake PRNG is not truly random. There is a reason FTP/Stars do not use PRNG. DUCY.
You can guarantee it all you like, it doesn't make it true. Most people like to have evidence before they guarantee things.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
Finally, you do not have the training to have a meaningful conversation about RNG and etc concerning computer science. You do not know anything about algorithms nor their analysis.
What do you know about my training and knowledge of algorithms?

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Originally Posted by karmabling
What you do is simply assume that anyone questioning the RNG is incorrect and this is based on what technical expertise--none.
No, I don't. I simply ask for evidence. Is that so much to ask?
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08-12-2010 , 07:01 PM
oh and the deeper dive to degen behavior.. i fixed that leak.. i realized every time i would run really good or get to a final table the next day i would play bad and always have big losing days... now i realize why.. its cause to win a tourney or run deep u have to run really really good and win tons of flips and thus making u open your ranges wide up cause u over think the value of your hand for how good u ran previously i no longer think that way and make a point to correct my behaviors if they do get out of line
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08-12-2010 , 07:02 PM
Bobo,

We will have to agree to disagree.

Karma
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08-12-2010 , 07:11 PM
This thread is like one of those long time running soap operas that never seems to run out of plot lines.
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08-12-2010 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
what would u like a picture of my genitals? no but seriously what would u like i guess exploited was a bad word.
Well, when you devised your "theory", you "proved" it by posting a bunch of totally irrelevant math, that according to you proved how right you were. Maybe you could post the exact same (flawed) math for your tournaments after you mastered the RNG.
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08-12-2010 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
This thread is like one of those long time running soap operas that never seems to run out of plot lines.
The difference is that ITT the plot never really changes (I guess the same can be said about soaps) and has a lot less sex
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08-12-2010 , 09:27 PM
i have no idea what prompted me to open this thread,

but i did so, a few weeks back i think, and posted a query as to why the thread was so long when the question was answered on the first page,
life is... get over...

at that time i was a winning player, hadn't deposited for 6/7 months-ish, had taken cash out,

ever since, and i mean literally ever since i first posted on this thread, i have had my AA's cracked by 7 2's with monotomous regularity, lost just about every race i have been in, run all my JJ's into QQ's and been sucked out on almost without fail,

all the profit has long gone,

i am putting money in,
and losing it,
night after night, after night, after night,

**** this,

the riggards are right,

+1 to the shills with Donko
+1 to riggards with TvSa
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08-12-2010 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
sigh what a hater... i make a post thanking you and u have to dig it in. soon my training site will be up and running... so dont u worry oh and the variance u talk about was def not on my side i dont consider these graphs at all to be an upswing.. my upswing has soon yet to come... when i start winning tourneys then ull see... all that profit came from a bunch of 3rd thru 15th finishes... yeah .. ill figure the rest out soon enough then ill have all the chickens.
Thank you for that genuine thank you post then, and I mean that as much as you meant it earlier.

Seriously, if you have figured out how to work the rig and RnG then follow my advice and buy in for the biggest games possible and make a lot more than you have with your upswing. After all, that is due to you figuring out the system instead of running hot or variance or actually working on your game.

All of your posts are variations of how you are due to hit it big. That's the definition of degen talk, and while I did feel a bit bad for you earlier, at this point I am totally indifferent if you win or lose because it actually does not matter. The long term results are pretty much obvious with your general approach, so at this point I will enjoy pushing that more than trying to pull you away from it.

Thus, go for it. Play more. Win more.



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Originally Posted by Yarbles
oh and the deeper dive to degen behavior.. i fixed that leak.. i realized every time i would run really good or get to a final table the next day i would play bad and always have big losing days... now i realize why.. its cause to win a tourney or run deep u have to run really really good and win tons of flips and thus making u open your ranges wide up cause u over think the value of your hand for how good u ran previously i no longer think that way and make a point to correct my behaviors if they do get out of line

Cool. Sounds like you have figure it all out in a rational manner. Keep making those proper adjustments. If people ask you to prove the adjustments to the RNG you are making just tell them that it is a secret. That will sound mysterious.

Keep us posted on your results every month or so amid the freeroll bad beat posts and people who think that ipoker has put a chip in their brain.

Best of luck.
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08-12-2010 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
oh and the deeper dive to degen behavior.. i fixed that leak.. i realized every time i would run really good or get to a final table the next day i would play bad and always have big losing days... now i realize why.. its cause to win a tourney or run deep u have to run really really good and win tons of flips and thus making u open your ranges wide up cause u over think the value of your hand for how good u ran previously i no longer think that way and make a point to correct my behaviors if they do get out of line
Hello,

There are no such things as real monsters, there aren't even any live dinosaurs anymore. Hmmmhmmm yea, I read about that in the bible.

I remember one time some of our neighbors, who were studying balet dancing, got dressed up to look like racoons. One of them was a Mother racoon, the other, a Father racoon. And there was a boy racoon and a girl racoon. And they made up a dance about that family.

Have you ever seen anybody play the game called soccer? When i first heard about that game I though it was people socking one another. I don't like to see people hurting one another, but that's not what the game is...
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08-12-2010 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Hello,

There are no such things as real monsters, there aren't even any live dinosaurs anymore. Hmmmhmmm yea, I read about that in the bible.

I remember one time some of our neighbors, who were studying balet dancing, got dressed up to look like racoons. One of them was a Mother racoon, the other, a Father racoon. And there was a boy racoon and a girl racoon. And they made up a dance about that family.

Have you ever seen anybody play the game called soccer? When i first heard about that game I though it was people socking one another. I don't like to see people hurting one another, but that's not what the game is...
I must say, wps! You surprise me sometimes.

I always prefer the catpushingwatermelon.gif
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08-12-2010 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I must say, wps! You surprise me sometimes.
hmmmmmmmmm
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