The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
08-12-2010
, 01:34 PM
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very quick to shoot down people who don't agree with you, when they make a glaring mistake, please be balanced enough to shoot down people who share the same views as you, when they come out with unacceptable comments as well, rather than this pack mentality which seems to have developed whereby 10-15 of you immediately jump on anyone who doesn't conform, but won't speak out at all against each other.
if that helps
08-12-2010
, 01:44 PM
You really are a bit of a muppet, aren't you?
How does a facetious comment imply that someone thinks they 'run' a thread - whatever that means.
And if anyone seems to think I run the thread it would be you since you were whining at me because I didn't go on the offensive when Monty made a minor slip.
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You resort to trying to be funny at times, rather than answering a question, yet other people get shot down for this and accused of dodging the issue.
Looking at your posts today it seems as if you believe that you run the thread given the number of people you've taken to task because you don't like the way they've responded.
08-12-2010
, 02:03 PM
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Wat?
You really are a bit of a muppet, aren't you?
How does a facetious comment imply that someone thinks they 'run' a thread - whatever that means.
And if anyone seems to think I run the thread it would be you since you were whining at me because I didn't go on the offensive when Monty made a minor slip.
I've already, in effect, answered that question many times. It's not my fault if you're too thick to understand.
Looking at your posts today it seems as if you believe that you run the thread given the number of people you've taken to task because you don't like the way they've responded.
You really are a bit of a muppet, aren't you?
How does a facetious comment imply that someone thinks they 'run' a thread - whatever that means.
And if anyone seems to think I run the thread it would be you since you were whining at me because I didn't go on the offensive when Monty made a minor slip.
I've already, in effect, answered that question many times. It's not my fault if you're too thick to understand.
Looking at your posts today it seems as if you believe that you run the thread given the number of people you've taken to task because you don't like the way they've responded.
I have responded to people who replied to me. You like to have your say in everything. This thread appears to be called, 'the great poker is rigged debate, last post by Wiki.'
I suggested you think you run this thread, as you appear to make the rules, one set for people who share your views and one for people who don't.
You shoot down people, (those who don't share your views), on any irrelevancy you find, spelling, grammar, poker knowledge, knowledge of other subjects (17th century literature in one of my cases), any number of other irrelevancies which don't spring to mind right now.
You and people who agree with you are allowed to answer questions by trying to be humorous, yet anyone who doesn't share your views is accused of dodging the issue.
Not going to turn it further into a personal attack, nor bore people with another of our arguments, that's just my opinion. This thread is very difficult at times, as I say there are 10-15 of you who refuse to speak out against each other at any time, yet are happy to pick on people who are 'easier targets.'
As I've said before Wiki, I've been told you've had several accounts banned in the past, which would certainly suggest, you don't always conduct yourself in an appropriate manner and if people did their jobs properly, you wouldn't infact be here at all.
08-12-2010
, 02:20 PM
08-12-2010
, 02:21 PM
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I suggested you think you run this thread, as you appear to make the rules, one set for people who share your views and one for people who don't.
Either I don't run the thread, in which case whether I think I do (I don't, BTW) is irrelevant.
Or I do, in which case bugger off until you learn how to talk sense.
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You shoot down people, (those who don't share your views), on any irrelevancy you find, spelling, grammar, poker knowledge, knowledge of other subjects (17th century literature in one of my cases), any number of other irrelevancies which don't spring to mind right now.
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You and people who agree with you are allowed to answer questions by trying to be humorous, yet anyone who doesn't share your views is accused of dodging the issue.
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This thread is very difficult at times, as I say there are 10-15 of you who refuse to speak out against each other at any time, yet are happy to pick on people who are 'easier targets.'
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As I've said before Wiki, I've been told you've had several accounts banned in the past, which would certainly suggest, you don't always conduct yourself in an appropriate manner and if people did their jobs properly, you wouldn't infact be here at all.
Come on, name some names.
08-12-2010
, 02:24 PM
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Why don't you just look it up? The Microsoft RNG certification info is here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc750357.aspx
and a statistical card output analysis certification is here:
http://cakepoker.com/Files/CakeGamin...tionLetter.pdf
and info about the company that did it is here:
http://www.tstglobal.com/
They certify government lotteries and other online gaming sites all over the world, including iPoker, which is the largest poker network in the world and a public company.
and more info is here:
http://cakepoker.com/en/Help/Integrity/RNG.aspx
So what are your concerns actually based on? And yes I'm a shill. A freelance shill against ignorance.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc750357.aspx
and a statistical card output analysis certification is here:
http://cakepoker.com/Files/CakeGamin...tionLetter.pdf
and info about the company that did it is here:
http://www.tstglobal.com/
They certify government lotteries and other online gaming sites all over the world, including iPoker, which is the largest poker network in the world and a public company.
and more info is here:
http://cakepoker.com/en/Help/Integrity/RNG.aspx
So what are your concerns actually based on? And yes I'm a shill. A freelance shill against ignorance.
Thats nice and all but cake poker also had a nice webpage blurb about their encryption which proved to be incorrect or have you forgotten about that
Karma
08-12-2010
, 02:45 PM
08-12-2010
, 02:50 PM
What do you do then?
One thing we know you will never do is post any questions in the probability forum, but curious what you think you would do in this scenario.
Personally, I know that nothing would actually change as you would find a way to twist it into a still unresolved scenario to keep your faith that something may be wrong with ipoker alive in your mind, but feel free to lay out step by step what you would do with your beliefs and poker in general if spade's study was heavily with ipoker hands.
Could make for a fun read before you and Wiki degenerate into yelling about educational systems or whatever.
All the best.
08-12-2010
, 03:03 PM
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You really are one of the worst internet researchers ever.
[...]
And if you actually read spadebidders site, you will see that most of the datasets are identified as 'Site A" or "Site B", so if spadebidder is privy to which site is which, he's not telling either.
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And if you actually read spadebidders site, you will see that most of the datasets are identified as 'Site A" or "Site B", so if spadebidder is privy to which site is which, he's not telling either.
08-12-2010
, 03:41 PM
Ok, what did they tell you when you emailed them and asked if Cake is indeed one of their customers?
Last edited by Mike Haven; 08-15-2010 at 09:09 PM.
08-12-2010
, 04:01 PM
I didn't either. Although I just quickly glanced at it; I could probably suss it out if I went back and reread.
Edit to add: Blindingly obvious now that I reread it. But I'll leave my post here and take my lumps.
08-12-2010
, 04:03 PM
08-12-2010
, 04:28 PM
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Why don't you just look it up? The Microsoft RNG certification info is here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc750357.aspx
and a statistical card output analysis certification is here:
http://cakepoker.com/Files/CakeGamin...tionLetter.pdf
and info about the company that did it is here:
http://www.tstglobal.com/
They certify government lotteries and other online gaming sites all over the world, including iPoker, which is the largest poker network in the world and a public company.
and more info is here:
http://cakepoker.com/en/Help/Integrity/RNG.aspx
So what are your concerns actually based on? And yes I'm a shill. A freelance shill against ignorance.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc750357.aspx
and a statistical card output analysis certification is here:
http://cakepoker.com/Files/CakeGamin...tionLetter.pdf
and info about the company that did it is here:
http://www.tstglobal.com/
They certify government lotteries and other online gaming sites all over the world, including iPoker, which is the largest poker network in the world and a public company.
and more info is here:
http://cakepoker.com/en/Help/Integrity/RNG.aspx
So what are your concerns actually based on? And yes I'm a shill. A freelance shill against ignorance.
Question about Hacker's Capabilities:
josem:
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"...Cake Poker uses a Pseudo-RNG:
http://cakepoker.com/en/Help/Integrity/RNG.aspx ..."
http://cakepoker.com/en/Help/Integrity/RNG.aspx ..."
gtg
Last edited by GaryTheGoat; 08-12-2010 at 04:30 PM.
Reason: josem and sp
08-12-2010
, 04:46 PM
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Dude, what do you want me to say exactly. I checked sharkscope for all games, so it would include every game you played that they track.
Your stats are using sharkscope for all games played:
Past month: 860 games -$4559 losses
Past 3 months: 3075 games - $11,399 losses
Past 6 months: 4,440 games -$25,400 losses
Past 1 year: 5,551 games -$24,528 in losses
Your year graph is basically a downward steep diagonal line with 2-3 big score spikes, not the dripping down with a lot of spikes graphs better MTT players have for their graph.
You should not be playing poker. It is not because it was hyper night or it was raining or it was because of Lizard Men manipulating deals in secret ways or anything else.
YOU should not be playing poker, and I am not saying this as a means to insult you either, as I actually found your back story you posted a while ago to be more interesting than you expected, which is probably why I keep at this when I should know better.
Anyway, as I said I will not reveal your screen name unless you choose, but your stats and graph can't be explained away due to variance or bad luck or rigging or moon alignment or "hyper night" anything else. It's you as a player.
Take a 2 week break and speak to the people I mentioned before, then go from there.
Your stats are using sharkscope for all games played:
Past month: 860 games -$4559 losses
Past 3 months: 3075 games - $11,399 losses
Past 6 months: 4,440 games -$25,400 losses
Past 1 year: 5,551 games -$24,528 in losses
Your year graph is basically a downward steep diagonal line with 2-3 big score spikes, not the dripping down with a lot of spikes graphs better MTT players have for their graph.
You should not be playing poker. It is not because it was hyper night or it was raining or it was because of Lizard Men manipulating deals in secret ways or anything else.
YOU should not be playing poker, and I am not saying this as a means to insult you either, as I actually found your back story you posted a while ago to be more interesting than you expected, which is probably why I keep at this when I should know better.
Anyway, as I said I will not reveal your screen name unless you choose, but your stats and graph can't be explained away due to variance or bad luck or rigging or moon alignment or "hyper night" anything else. It's you as a player.
Take a 2 week break and speak to the people I mentioned before, then go from there.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
*these results are not from 1 omg bink its a bunch of small 1k and 2k scores in mtts adding up.
08-12-2010
, 05:53 PM
