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07-23-2022 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TheoryJuicer
That sounds like a perfectly fair challenge that has been ignored so far.
That's because the concerns of worthless gambling addicts are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Ok. I have now close to 4k tourneys in the last 4 years and I'm 99.9% convinced that the pokerstars profiled me as a cashcow. Please Pm me someone who can analyze my hands, I'll pay, whatever.
You could easily post in another subforum and find people who will do what you want. Well, except I can pretty much guarantee that your idea of "I'll pay, whatever" will be massively different from the idea an actual smart guy has about a fair payment.

Also, you are unemployed and broke, how would you pay anyway?

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07-23-2022 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL. I guess in his eyes, the only explanation could be that they've paid people to create 5,000 accounts on 2+2 to rig the poll.
Oh no, that would be impossible. We all know that creating an account at 2+2 requires Id, proof of address and your bank account. Certainly not worth it for a $100mil/year income company.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Now, if this latest whiny riggie wants to have an analysis done then he can pay someone with expertise in that with no riggie agenda to do that for him. Obviously he will not pay anyone anything because he knows his data will not prove any rig
I will, looking for an offer in Pm or public. Name a price for 4k tourneys, I value a person's time (that is a reason why I am skeptic about monteroy posting here after every couple posts, for a decade now) but keep it decent. I may also search for a 2nd opinion in another place also instead of whining about the results, I am always after the truth.
All this even holding my belief that HH fails to prove an Outcome Knowing House Bots Rig that if implemented right will look flawless in HH and it seems everybody avoids the subject. For example take a big tourney last 3 tables even final table and search the winners in Sharkscope. What you find is account made 4-5 years ago, played a handful of games, some small losses some big wins and in the last game they played very good and also their hand held. Hmmm, they must have been training somewhere in a cave all this time and popup now and then to take a chunk of the prize.
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07-23-2022 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow


I will, looking for an offer in Pm or public. Name a price for 4k tourneys, I value a person's time (that is a reason why I am skeptic about monteroy posting here after every couple posts, for a decade now) but keep it decent. I may also search for a 2nd opinion in another place also instead of whining about the results, I am always after the truth.
You will declare any reasonable price as "way too much" and use this as an excuse why your precious analysis could not be done...You will also inject yet another lame, stupid conspiracy into the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
All this even holding my belief that HH fails to prove an Outcome Knowing House Bots Rig that if implemented right will look flawless in HH and it seems everybody avoids the subject.
"Even if the analysis of my 4k (lol) tourneys turns out to show nothing suspicious at all, I will just change the goalposts and claim that magical cyber bots who can see the fututre are on every table!, stealing the daily $15 I pump into the system like the sad addict that I am"
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07-23-2022 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Oh no, that would be impossible. We all know that creating an account at 2+2 requires Id, proof of address and your bank account. Certainly not worth it for a $100mil/year income company.



I will, looking for an offer in Pm or public. Name a price for 4k tourneys, I value a person's time (that is a reason why I am skeptic about monteroy posting here after every couple posts, for a decade now) but keep it decent. I may also search for a 2nd opinion in another place also instead of whining about the results, I am always after the truth.
All this even holding my belief that HH fails to prove an Outcome Knowing House Bots Rig that if implemented right will look flawless in HH and it seems everybody avoids the subject. For example take a big tourney last 3 tables even final table and search the winners in Sharkscope. What you find is account made 4-5 years ago, played a handful of games, some small losses some big wins and in the last game they played very good and also their hand held. Hmmm, they must have been training somewhere in a cave all this time and popup now and then to take a chunk of the prize.
I know people that do this. I'll ask, might take several days to get a price/interest.

Do you realize that if you win all those hands you're ahead you going to FT almost every MTT and win lots of them? Most of the KOs in MTTs are beats.
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07-23-2022 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by InJuiceWeTrust
magical cyber bots "
Grandpa, you can get out of the house, Vietnam war is over.


So 4k games is a laughable size (I already see how it will be used as excuse if the deal shows up skewed). I would assume it will be a two days work so $150-200 should be enough? Nda will be signed, no other info than stats will be shown publicly.
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07-23-2022 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
I will, looking for an offer in Pm or public. Name a price for 4k tourneys, I value a person's time (that is a reason why I am skeptic about monteroy posting here after every couple posts, for a decade now) but keep it decent. I may also search for a 2nd opinion in another place also instead of whining about the results, I am always after the truth.
All this even holding my belief that HH fails to prove an Outcome Knowing House Bots Rig that if implemented right will look flawless in HH and it seems everybody avoids the subject. For example take a big tourney last 3 tables even final table and search the winners in Sharkscope. What you find is account made 4-5 years ago, played a handful of games, some small losses some big wins and in the last game they played very good and also their hand held. Hmmm, they must have been training somewhere in a cave all this time and popup now and then to take a chunk of the prize.
I've read this a few times and I'm still not sure what you are saying, but I'll try.

Are you saying that, to you, it's suspicious that people with years old account who have both won (big!) and lost (small), make it deep in yet another tournament and have a hand that holds? That's rigging? Clearly you are not conveying your point very well, because that certainly cannot be the foundation of your argument...the most important thing you could tell us right now to convince us of rigging. What else?
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07-23-2022 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Grandpa, you can get out of the house, Vietnam war is over.


So 4k games is a laughable size (I already see how it will be used as excuse if the deal shows up skewed). I would assume it will be a two days work so $150-200 should be enough? Nda will be signed, no other info than stats will be shown publicly.
No one will do any work for you, as soon as they realize that you are an extremely unhinged addict, no one will trust you to even have $200...but as I already explained: Any other outcome than "Yes, your sample clearly shows that they rigged the deal and have magic cyber bots on every table!" will be handwaved away by you anyway.

You can only win if you stop playing NOW and never look back.
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07-23-2022 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TBobLP
I've read this a few times and I'm still not sure what you are saying, but I'll try.

Are you saying that, to you, it's suspicious that people with years old account who have both won (big!) and lost (small), make it deep in yet another tournament and have a hand that holds? That's rigging? Clearly you are not conveying your point very well, because that certainly cannot be the foundation of your argument...the most important thing you could tell us right now to convince us of rigging. What else?
Handful of games (less than 100 and sometimes less than 20 games) you read, you understand and then you pick only half to discuss and ignore the important part and try to ridicule.
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07-23-2022 , 11:38 AM
The fact that riggies ask for things to be done that have already been done will not change their need to continue to ask for the same things to be done, all the while believing they are edgy while doing so. Just part of the riggie culture, which is why it is effectively dead at this point.

Edit to add - LOL at offering $150 or so for "two days work" while dealing with a complete crazed person. Just the interaction with this riggie alone should cost $500 and the work is not $10 an hour type work. Riggies always get everything wrong.

To the latest screamy riggie - go to the appropriate software or programming forums and find a database expert and offer that person $500+ to do this work and when doing so try your best to not be the screaming at the clouds riggie as demonstrated here. The person may accept and do the work and after when nothing is found you are welcome to say that person was all part of the conspiracy as needed. I say this knowing there is zero chance you will offer a proper payment to a proper person to do this work for you, and spadebidder is not coming through that door to do this type of work free again. Anyway, better luck in the nano games or better yet - quit all forms of gambling.

All the best.

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07-23-2022 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by InJuiceWeTrust
No one will do any work for you, as soon as they realize that you are an extremely unhinged addict, no one will trust you to even have $200...but as I already explained: Any other outcome than "Yes, your sample clearly shows that they rigged the deal and have magic cyber bots on every table!" will be handwaved away by you anyway.

You can only win if you stop playing NOW and never look back.
What makes you so sure? like every sentence you write in absolute. This is going to happen, even if you would like me to back off so you can have a nice story about a riggie that came with a challenge then ran away.
Yes, I will keep my beliefs whatever the result will be because magical cyber bots in 2022 is not science fiction but I also believe that I received an unfair amount of bad beats and maybe we will have the opportunity to show it here, then you can come and say that 4k tournaments prove nothing. That is on average 3 games/day for 4 years. If that proves nothing then what? play 10 years and donate more? What will be a decent size of games in your view?
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07-23-2022 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The fact that riggies ask for things to be done that have already been done will not change their need to continue to ask for the same things to be done, all the while believing they are edgy while doing so. Just part of the riggie culture, which is why it is effectively dead at this point.

Edit to add - LOL at offering $150 or so for "two days work" while dealing with a complete crazed person. Just the interaction with this riggie alone should cost $500 and the work is not $10 an hour type work. Riggies always get everything wrong.

To the latest screamy riggie - go to the appropriate software or programming forums and find a database expert and offer that person $500+ to do this work and when doing so try your best to not be the screaming at the clouds riggie as demonstrated here. The person may accept and do the work and after when nothing is found you are welcome to say that person was all part of the conspiracy as needed. I say this knowing there is zero chance you will offer a proper payment to a proper person to do this work for you, and spadebidder is not coming through that door to do this type of work free again. Anyway, better luck in the nano games or better yet - quit all forms of gambling.

All the best.
Another one that talks in absolutes. He knows nobody will deal with me: the interaction will be ''here half of your fee upfront, here HH''
He know I play nanostakes. Like everybody on this forum, peasants. Let me remind you all, he won a fluorescent green rolex in a bag of chips and enjoys his lavish lifestyle when he drives his supercars on the carpet of his mom's basement.
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07-23-2022 , 12:05 PM
My Rolex does not glow in the dark but it is worth more than your car, Actually, that does not work as you likely cannot afford a car.

Anyway, nobody believes what you are saying and also nobody believes that you will follow through to find an impartial qualified person and pay that person a proper amount to look at your database, because even you know all you are doing is whining due to an inability to handle the mental aspect of this industry. You have nothing and you know you have nothing, and screaming in a way we have seen over and over will not change that. If you want to stand out from all the riggies before you who behaved just like you then actually find a proper person to do your study and ask them to post the results here much like how spadebidder did in the past. I say that knowing the odds of that happening are zero give or take zero, and you are certainly not going to be the first riggie to prove me wrong in that regard.

Time for you to put up or shut up in that way, though everyone knows you will never shut up when it comes to mundane riggie whining and cloudscreaming, since in the end that is all you have in your arsenal. That is the riggie way, albeit now part of a dead culture.

All the best.
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07-23-2022 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
What makes you so sure? like every sentence you write in absolute. This is going to happen, even if you would like me to back off so you can have a nice story about a riggie that came with a challenge then ran away.
You won't approach anyone. You won't pay anyone for any analysis. I know it, everyone else knows it. You should also know.

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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Yes, I will keep my beliefs whatever the result will be because magical cyber bots in 2022 is not science fiction but I also believe that I received an unfair amount of bad beats and maybe we will have the opportunity to show it here, then you can come and say that 4k tournaments prove nothing.
Whatever you "show" here (or not) will be ignored 100% of the time, like in the last 20 years. You're just another rigtard, yelling at clouds.

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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
That is on average 3 games/day for 4 years.
I almost shat my pants laughing.

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If that proves nothing then what?
It proves that you are one of the most horrible players on this planet. A 3 year old with severe brain damage could easily beat you at Poker.


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Originally Posted by johnnysnow

play 10 years and donate more? What will be a decent size of games in your view?
You can only win if you quit poker today and never look back.
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07-23-2022 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
This type of "challenge" has been offered and completed many times over the years in this thread. The most interesting example was when spadebidder did a very, very, VERY detailed analysis of a similarly toxic poster named AMEC0404 who made equivalent whiny claims like this latest disposable riggie. spadebidder spent a ton of hours doing this and presented the finished result of dozens of categories and showed that the hands were statistically as expected, and in fact that donk at the tome was actually running a little better than expected overall.

Now, what did that toxic riggie do after all that free work was done for him? He called spadebidder a shill, threatened him, took the data he presented and ignored all but the category where he did the worst vs expected and kept posting that single category to show that spadebiider confirmed it was rigged (even in that category it was like 2ish std dev below so well within reason). spadebidder pretty much quit posting soon after because he learned a lesson many of us knew - helping riggies is pointless, since they will never accept the results unless it tells them what they want to hear.
Thanks for the heads up on that. Unlike you, most of us haven't spent over 10 years posting on this thread, so I was unaware of the AMEC0404 analysis.

Having reviewed the posts, it seems like AMEC0404's suspicions were actually proven correct? He was statistically in the lowest 5% for AIPF EV.

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ALL 9550 49.3% 4705 4628 48.5% -77 49 -1.6
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Lost 0.8% more preflop all-in hands than expected.

The offset of 1.6 standard deviations from the mean, tells us that about 1 in 18 hand samples this size will have worse luck.
There are some very interesting responses to that analysis and generally not from the shillie side. When discussing rigging, I thought this post provided a good summary of the issues many people report:

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Originally Posted by Lestat
But why? Why can't I go by these incredibly freakish runs where I lose set after set after set to some improbable runner-runner hopeless hand? I admit that I don't understand the math, but I've played live poker for over 10 years and while I've certainly had my share of brutal beats in live games, they have NEVER occurred one after another in such quick succession like that. It gets to the point online, where I just start laughing. I feel insulted that a poker site could possibly think I'm gullible enough to take a never ending flurry of beats like that seriously.
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I do use a tracking software and have tried to the best of my *limited* abilities to make sense of the data. I can see that I'm short on AA, for instance, but that's not even my concern. I'm confident that the overall distrubution of hand holdings, flush draw, completions, top pairs, etc., are random and within statiscal reason. My concern is that I'm being robbed of my overall equity share.

For instance, I don't know how to filter for realized EV when I have a 95% equity advantage in a large pot. It certainly feels like I haven't realized anywhere near 95% EV in these spots. This does NOT mean my hand isn't holding up close to the expected number of times! It just means that when the pot gets bloated, I'm not realizing 95% of what's in those pots. How do I prove that? I honestly have no idea. But I'm not concerned about not completing enough draws, getting AA enough, etc. That doesn't seem out of line to me. Just the unlikely losses in big pots to what seem like impossible longshots to occur with the frequency that they do.

Again, I'm not good at math at all, so I'm willing to concede I simply do not understand what's happening. That's certainly possible. I appreciate your help. Thanks again.
I read numerous pages and left it shortly after this post. I don't know if Kryterme ever did come through with his more detailed analysis?

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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
So far the non riggies are 1 for 2 in coming through after they called me out publicly for not sending the HHs. I came through on my end, now how about you do the same. I believe Kryterme's results are more detailed... If he posts them.

I fairly confident in saying that if the results made me look bad they would have been posted 100 times by now.
So the challenge from jonnysnow is absolutely relevant. It would be very interesting to know what his AIPF EV table looks like.
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07-23-2022 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
What makes you so sure? like every sentence you write in absolute. This is going to happen, even if you would like me to back off so you can have a nice story about a riggie that came with a challenge then ran away.
Yes, I will keep my beliefs whatever the result will be because magical cyber bots in 2022 is not science fiction but I also believe that I received an unfair amount of bad beats and maybe we will have the opportunity to show it here, then you can come and say that 4k tournaments prove nothing. That is on average 3 games/day for 4 years. If that proves nothing then what? play 10 years and donate more? What will be a decent size of games in your view?
He doesn't have a view on that because he hasn't a clue. He's only here to troll.
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07-23-2022 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by InJuiceWeTrust
I almost shat my pants laughing.
Ok, what is your poker username? back your words and show us the road of a successful player. Otherwise you are nothing in this discussion, dirt on my sneakers is worth more than you.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
My Rolex does not glow in the dark but it is worth more than your car, Actually, that does not work as you likely cannot afford a car.
Tell me that you're poor without telling me that you're poor. Poor people that want to be seen otherwise always feel the need to brag to strangers and are easy to incite when you mention it. All your stories don't hold up and are only result of your imagination. You never played poker, you don't know what it takes to be successful in virtually anything in real world. Calm your tits

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
the results of a poll on 2+2 don't match up with the reviews on the renowned poker review site TrustPilot. LOL.
Yep. Trustpilot, a non biased place where people feel the need to share their positive experiences to back up a good service or expose bad businesses. Without fire there is no smoke so 1.2 stars out of 3k reviewers tells all.

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07-23-2022 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Handful of games (less than 100 and sometimes less than 20 games) you read, you understand and then you pick only half to discuss and ignore the important part and try to ridicule.
If you feel ridiculed, that's on you. I reiterated things you said and asked you questions about them to clarify, which you chose not to do. You didn't mention anything about hands or games in the post I replied to. Get a grip. I take this to mean that you've clarified your point as much as you're able, and it holds no weight.

Wanna try again? What makes what you said in that post prove rigging, and is that the best example you have?
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07-23-2022 , 04:41 PM
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If you feel ridiculed, that's on you. I reiterated things you said and asked you questions about them to clarify, which you chose not to do. You didn't mention anything about hands or games in the post I replied to. Get a grip. I take this to mean that you've clarified your point as much as you're able, and it holds no weight.

Wanna try again? What makes what you said in that post prove rigging, and is that the best example you have?
When I see some players with a dozen games played, accounts created 3-4-5 years ago suddenly win top places in big tourneys I become suspicious.
Would it be impossible for Pokerstars to create outcome knowing house bots to bust real players while maintaining their HH within standard? You win 9 times with your 90% odds and 10th time it costs you your tournament life. KK and 20 players to bubble, two raises in front of me and I know I have to fold it 100% then take a break if my stack allows it till in the money cause I'm one of the targets scheduled to go out so more money stays in house.
Well soon it will not be possible to spot the house bots, they will play many more games between themselves to fabricate a history of standard wins and losses.

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07-23-2022 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
When I see some players with a dozen games played, accounts created 3-4-5 years ago suddenly win top places in big tourneys I become suspicious.
Would it be impossible for Pokerstars to create outcome knowing house bots to bust real players while maintaining their HH within standard? You win 9 times with your 90% odds and 10th time it costs you your tournament life. KK and 20 players to bubble, two raises in front of me and I know I have to fold it 100% then take a break if my stack allows it till in the money cause I'm one of the targets scheduled to go out so more money stays in house.
Well soon it will not be possible to spot the house bots, they will play many more games between them to fabricate a history of standard wins and losses.
If you are losing every tournament with the best hand consistently then you're playing too tight and not chipping up like the better players do taking risks with less than premium hands.

Do you only think pokerstars is rigged or are there others? Do you still continue to play online poker though you think it's rigged? And if you do what does that say about your decision making? Because I personally can't trust someone's judgement or objectivity if they think a site is rigged yet continue to dump money there.
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07-23-2022 , 05:20 PM
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If you are losing every tournament with the best hand consistently then you're playing too tight and not chipping up like the better players do taking risks with less than premium hands.

Do you only think pokerstars is rigged or are there others? Do you still continue to play online poker though you think it's rigged? And if you do what does that say about your decision making? Because I personally can't trust someone's judgement or objectivity if they think a site is rigged yet continue to dump money there.
More often than not if I get past middle stage I'm in top 10%. Can't count how many times I've been in top 10 places for the entirety of the game then to be thrown around the tables near the bubble and getting my value bets called just to see miracle after miracle served to opponents on the river and go out just before the money.
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07-23-2022 , 08:03 PM
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So the challenge from jonnysnow is absolutely relevant.
Nothing about Johnny (or you) is relevant.
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07-23-2022 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
When I see some players with a dozen games played, accounts created 3-4-5 years ago suddenly win top places in big tourneys I become suspicious.
Would it be impossible for Pokerstars to create outcome knowing house bots to bust real players while maintaining their HH within standard? You win 9 times with your 90% odds and 10th time it costs you your tournament life. KK and 20 players to bubble, two raises in front of me and I know I have to fold it 100% then take a break if my stack allows it till in the money cause I'm one of the targets scheduled to go out so more money stays in house.
Well soon it will not be possible to spot the house bots, they will play many more games between themselves to fabricate a history of standard wins and losses.
This trainwreck of a post screams: I never even understood the basics of poker but I will keep playing until I'm homeless.

Remember: You can only win if you quit today and never look back.
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07-23-2022 , 09:30 PM
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Thanks for the heads up on that. Unlike you, most of us haven't spent over 10 years posting on this thread, so I was unaware of the AMEC0404 analysis.
Unlike me, most people have not been successful in this industry for over 10 years, but one of the charms of this thread is that randos like you place zero value on experience or knowledge of this industry as you do your move the goal post question routines.


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Having reviewed the posts, it seems like AMEC0404's suspicions were actually proven correct? He was statistically in the lowest 5% for AIPF EV.
You need to learn to do a statistical review a bit better. I know you will not, but kind of like you said above - you lack the experience to know what you are talking about. spadebidder was world class. You are nothing. I trust his findings more than your interpretations, and that situation lasted a long time so your quick review lacks any real idea of what happened then as well.



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I read numerous pages and left it shortly after this post. I don't know if Kryterme ever did come through with his more detailed analysis?
Yeah he did and riggies hated the results so ignored them and called him a shill. He posted them a few weeks later. Think that was the final straw why spadebidder quit the thread when he realized how much time he wasted.



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So the challenge from jonnysnow is absolutely relevant. It would be very interesting to know what his AIPF EV table looks like.
Offer to help him pay someone to do whatever analyses the two of you want and present them here however you like after, as only the two of you care about it , so the two of you should do it. I say that knowing it will never happen, because riggies are all talk and no action in the end. Quit all forms of gambling or else better luck in your nano games.

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Tell me that you're poor without telling me that you're poor. Poor people that want to be seen otherwise always feel the need to brag to strangers and are easy to incite when you mention it. All your stories don't hold up and are only result of your imagination. You never played poker, you don't know what it takes to be successful in virtually anything in real world. Calm your tits.
Dude, you were the one that brought up my Rolex, not me. I just replied to your silly post in an accurate manner in a way that clearly upset you because as your posts demonstrate - you have little or no emotional control. You seem permanently on life tilt.

Unlike riggies, my stories hold up, so here is the link (amazed it is still there, but it is) of the details of my Rolex win.

http://www.pokerplex.com/tournament_winners.shtml

Scroll down and look for the user name Stabbies for that (my odd user name on that skin). You will note the way I write then is similar to how I write now.

So there you go - another example of how I back what I say while riggies like you and that other rando never do the same. That is why I confidently say there is zero chance you will get someone to do any actual proper verifiable work on your hands and even if you did - it would not prove anything (and you would dismiss the findings in that case). Seriously, quit all forms of gambling - you cannot handle it.

All the best.

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07-23-2022 , 10:29 PM
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Oh no, that would be impossible. We all know that creating an account at 2+2 requires Id, proof of address and your bank account. Certainly not worth it for a $100mil/year income company.
Nice strawman. No one's arguing that it would be impossible, or even particularly difficult. Time consuming, for sure, and of very little value IMO.

Is this what you believe has happened in this thread?
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07-24-2022 , 04:11 AM
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Dude, you were the one that brought up my Rolex, not me. I just replied to your silly post in an accurate manner in a way that clearly upset you because as your posts demonstrate - you have little or no emotional control. You seem permanently on life tilt.

Unlike riggies, my stories hold up, so here is the link (amazed it is still there, but it is) of the details of my Rolex win.

http://www.pokerplex.com/tournament_winners.shtml

Scroll down and look for the user name Stabbies for that (my odd user name on that skin). You will note the way I write then is similar to how I write now.

So there you go - another example of how I back what I say while riggies like you and that other rando never do the same. That is why I confidently say there is zero chance you will get someone to do any actual proper verifiable work on your hands and even if you did - it would not prove anything (and you would dismiss the findings in that case). Seriously, quit all forms of gambling - you cannot handle it.

All the best.

Yes yes, I know you won it. I'm just messing around with you. I know cause I'm speed321, so I just won 2 Rolexes prior to you, scroll down the page you will see. I'm wearing them on both my hands right now. You will notice I write the same way baby!!!
After that I won the Powerball, will have to find the link with the numbers but trust me, it's me baby!!!

Kinda coincidence that Stabbies appears on all poker platforms as being from Italy, but whatever, you throw a stick from Italy and next second it's in Canada LOL LOL LOL
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