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05-22-2022 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Omahafish34
I get so frustrated and annoyed arguing with people on here about a site being rigged and no matter how much evidence you shove in their face they just pretend like there isn't an elephant in the room and just deny it.
"No matter how much evidence" - like when you told everyone that because an online virus scanner came back with positive results for poker software, it was proof that they were cheating their customers? And when anyone points out potential explanations like false positives, rather than consider what that could mean for your theory, you instead call them trolls, scammers, and scumbags:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...gedly-1807155/

And then there was the time that you posted about how GGPoker had ripped you off by keeping their leaderboard open a couple of hours too long. People pointed out the possible time zone issues, and you disappeared from the thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...gedly-1807155/

Of course there are the threads you started with other accounts:

GGPoker Badbeat Jackpot

GGPoker is a Joke and They Have Completely Ruined Any Prestige That a Bracelet Once Had

But in spite of all these issues you seem to have with GG Poker over the last 6 months, you're still playing there. You even created yet another new account today to start yet another thread about yet another issue there:

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Originally Posted by adkosl23
Does anyone play on GGPoker cash games and use the cashback option? For those that don't know what it is, it's a new feature where you can take your equity and cash out for that amount. So if the pot is $100 and you are have AA and they have KK, you have the option as AA to take your equity on all three streets. I think you have to be at least 60% or 65%. You can't do it if you are behind and so in this hand on flop you could cash out for $80 preflop, $86 after the flop, and $92 after the turn. This is a nice feature to have to help with the variance but as usual with GG there is some strange **** going on. I have taken my equity 23 times, and have not had one bad beat in those 23 times after taking it. That is practically impossible. If I don't take it, I get punished up the ass no matter how far I am ahead. I know that I have lost 6 hands where I had 95% equity after the turn and declined and lost. There is just no way that this isn't rigged and set up. If you take your equity of $80 and don't take a beat, then GG pockets that $20. The whole thing is shady as **** and is a clear sign that GGPoker is R-I-G-G-E-D.

I always thought this would be a great feature to have but it is only a great feature when it isn't rigged. If it was random then it would be great but with this **** of being forced to take my equity or lose the whole pot is pure bullshit. It's bad enough GG has insanely high rake and now they have to try and squeeze any last remaining $ from our wallets. **** them. That site is such a scam. I'm done with them. They can hold everybody else hostage with forcing them to take their equity or get ****ed.
You keep playing there, so either you don't believe your own evidence but hate your experience there enough to want to trash them at every opportunity, or you have a very serious gambling problem and can't stop playing on a site you are convinced is rigged. Either way, you should stop playing there immediately, and seek some help if you have a gambling problem.
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05-23-2022 , 05:18 AM
if you think its rigged.... just accept the cashout feature and win every 60%+ and become a ****ing millionaire
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05-23-2022 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
"No matter how much evidence" - like when you told everyone that because an online virus scanner came back with positive results for poker software, it was proof that they were cheating their customers? And when anyone points out potential explanations like false positives, rather than consider what that could mean for your theory, you instead call them trolls, scammers, and scumbags:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...gedly-1807155/

And then there was the time that you posted about how GGPoker had ripped you off by keeping their leaderboard open a couple of hours too long. People pointed out the possible time zone issues, and you disappeared from the thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...gedly-1807155/

Of course there are the threads you started with other accounts:

GGPoker Badbeat Jackpot

GGPoker is a Joke and They Have Completely Ruined Any Prestige That a Bracelet Once Had

But in spite of all these issues you seem to have with GG Poker over the last 6 months, you're still playing there. You even created yet another new account today to start yet another thread about yet another issue there:


You keep playing there, so either you don't believe your own evidence but hate your experience there enough to want to trash them at every opportunity, or you have a very serious gambling problem and can't stop playing on a site you are convinced is rigged. Either way, you should stop playing there immediately, and seek some help if you have a gambling problem.
What the hell are you talking about?? Why on earth would you think that those other posts are me?? Have you lost your mind?? When you act like this then I know that I am right and on to something and this is your way to keep scamming and cheating the poker community so people like me don't expose these sites dirty little secret. That's your job right?? Make it more difficult for people to communicate, make anyone who makes these claims look silly by using your fake accounts to trick people!

You have only strengthened my suspicions and I think that you need to check yourself into a mental institution because you are extremely paranoid.

P.S. You are a coward for posting a rebutal to me, making accusations against and THEN BANNING ME SO I CANT EVEN RESPOND! You are what we call ....... A *****!
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05-23-2022 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Slugant
if you think its rigged.... just accept the cashout feature and win every 60%+ and become a ****ing millionaire
That's what I have been doing and it pisses me off because then I never get a beat and then I am only getting part of the pot. In the last 24 hours I have played 9,072 hands and I have not won the whole pot one time. Everytime I get a head, I cashout because I know if I don't then I'm going to lose. I have declined it when I was a 99.95% favorite and loss, 95% 3 times in a row and lost, and I can't even count how many where I was 65%or 70%. I have not won a single all in hand in the last 4 hours. There is zero chance that it isn't rigged. If I am 65% or 75% and even 95% and I don't win out of 30?????? That's ****ing impossible. The only ones I won was when I take the equity then magically my hand holds and I only get part of the pot and GG takes the rest.

I seriously don't understand how there isn't more people up in arms about this. People always said "why would they rig it" "they have no invested interest in who wins" and that all changes now. Now they do have an invested interest and they are now part of the game and another player. It's completely ****ed up! If I didn't see such dramatic evidence that says that they are manipulating it based on if you cash out or not, I would think it is a great feature but this is ****ing insane. I watch my opponents magically hit their card every ****ing all in. It's insane. It's like they can see the cards before they happen and all the other times they fold it must mean that their draw didn't get there. This is how frequent it is happening. I'm going through my HM3 right now to look at the actual numbers. It's ****ing crazy and the fact I have to now play against the house is messed because the house cheats.
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05-23-2022 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by erdvg55
That's what I have been doing and it pisses me off because then I never get a beat and then I am only getting part of the pot. In the last 24 hours I have played 9,072 hands and I have not won the whole pot one time. Everytime I get a head, I cashout because I know if I don't then I'm going to lose. I have declined it when I was a 99.95% favorite and loss, 95% 3 times in a row and lost, and I can't even count how many where I was 65%or 70%. I have not won a single all in hand in the last 4 hours. There is zero chance that it isn't rigged. If I am 65% or 75% and even 95% and I don't win out of 30?????? That's ****ing impossible. The only ones I won was when I take the equity then magically my hand holds and I only get part of the pot and GG takes the rest.

I seriously don't understand how there isn't more people up in arms about this. People always said "why would they rig it" "they have no invested interest in who wins" and that all changes now. Now they do have an invested interest and they are now part of the game and another player. It's completely ****ed up! If I didn't see such dramatic evidence that says that they are manipulating it based on if you cash out or not, I would think it is a great feature but this is ****ing insane. I watch my opponents magically hit their card every ****ing all in. It's insane. It's like they can see the cards before they happen and all the other times they fold it must mean that their draw didn't get there. This is how frequent it is happening. I'm going through my HM3 right now to look at the actual numbers. It's ****ing crazy and the fact I have to now play against the house is messed because the house cheats.
Two questions:

How many 2+2 accounts have you created?

What is an "invested interest" (as opposed to a "vested interest")?
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05-23-2022 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Slugant
if you think its rigged.... just accept the cashout feature and win every 60%+ and become a ****ing millionaire
That's what I have been doing and it pisses me off because then I never get a beat and then I am only getting part of the pot. In the last 24 hours I have played 9,072 hands and I have not won the whole pot one time. Everytime I get a head, I cashout because I know if I don't then I'm going to lose. I have declined it when I was a 99.95% favorite and loss, 95% 3 times in a row and lost, and I can't even count how many where I was 65%or 70%. I have not won a single all in hand in the last 4 hours. There is zero chance that it isn't rigged. If I am 65% or 75% and even 95% and I don't win out of 30?????? That's ****ing impossible. The only ones I won was when I take the equity then magically my hand holds and I only get part of the pot and GG takes the rest.

I seriously don't understand how there isn't more people up in arms about this. People always said "why would they rig it" "they have no invested interest in who wins" and that all changes now. Now they do have an invested interest and they are now part of the game and another player. It's completely ****ed up! If I didn't see such dramatic evidence that says that they are manipulating it based on if you cash out or not, I would think it is a great feature but this is ****ing insane. I watch my opponents magically hit their card every ****ing all in. It's insane. It's like they can see the cards before they happen and all the other times they fold it must mean that their draw didn't get there. This is how frequent it is happening. I'm going through my HM3 right now to look at the actual numbers. It's ****ing crazy and the fact I have to now play against the house is messed up because the house cheats.
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05-23-2022 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
How many 2+2 accounts have you created?
2
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05-23-2022 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by erdvg55
That's what I have been doing and it pisses me off because then I never get a beat and then I am only getting part of the pot. In the last 24 hours I have played 9,072 hands and I have not won the whole pot one time. Everytime I get a head, I cashout because I know if I don't then I'm going to lose. I have declined it when I was a 99.95% favorite and loss, 95% 3 times in a row and lost, and I can't even count how many where I was 65%or 70%. I have not won a single all in hand in the last 4 hours. There is zero chance that it isn't rigged. If I am 65% or 75% and even 95% and I don't win out of 30?????? That's ****ing impossible. The only ones I won was when I take the equity then magically my hand holds and I only get part of the pot and GG takes the rest.

I seriously don't understand how there isn't more people up in arms about this. People always said "why would they rig it" "they have no invested interest in who wins" and that all changes now. Now they do have an invested interest and they are now part of the game and another player. It's completely ****ed up! If I didn't see such dramatic evidence that says that they are manipulating it based on if you cash out or not, I would think it is a great feature but this is ****ing insane. I watch my opponents magically hit their card every ****ing all in. It's insane. It's like they can see the cards before they happen and all the other times they fold it must mean that their draw didn't get there. This is how frequent it is happening. I'm going through my HM3 right now to look at the actual numbers. It's ****ing crazy and the fact I have to now play against the house is messed because the house cheats.
Actually, you don't "have to now play [against] 'house cheats'". You can instead choose to spend your time and energy in another manner that would be at least arguably be more productive than playing poker on what you believe is a rigged site.
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05-23-2022 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by erdvg55
2
Thanks.
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05-23-2022 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by erdvg55
What the hell are you talking about?? Why on earth would you think that those other posts are me?? Have you lost your mind??
LOL. As if the posting style and matching IPs weren't enough, you give yourself away with other details. But if you think you're fooling anyone by denying it, then carry on.

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Originally Posted by erdvg55
You have only strengthened my suspicions and I think that you need to check yourself into a mental institution because you are extremely paranoid.
That's some amazing projection. All the poker sites are out to get you, and apparently so am I:

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Originally Posted by erdvg55
When you act like this then I know that I am right and on to something and this is your way to keep scamming and cheating the poker community so people like me don't expose these sites dirty little secret. That's your job right?? Make it more difficult for people to communicate, make anyone who makes these claims look silly by using your fake accounts to trick people!
'You're out to get me, and you're extremely paranoid for calling me out for having multiple accounts, when I have multiple accounts!'

But if I wanted to make it more difficult for you, I'd just delete all your posts.

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Originally Posted by erdvg55
P.S. You are a coward for posting a rebutal to me, making accusations against and THEN BANNING ME SO I CANT EVEN RESPOND! You are what we call ....... A *****!
Pretty sure your accounts weren't banned when I replied to you, but I can't be certain, because I didn't ban them. However, that clearly doesn't stop you from replying anyway.
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05-23-2022 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by erdvg55
Everytime I get a head, I cashout because I know if I don't then I'm going to lose. I have declined it when I was a 99.95% favorite and loss
Huh? How are you ever a 99.95% favorite? I don't think that's possible.
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05-23-2022 , 09:55 PM
He probably thinks as he loses multiple times in a row, his odds of winning change.

He's duuuuuuuue!!!
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05-23-2022 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WotPeed
Huh? How are you ever a 99.95% favorite? I don't think that's possible.
Basically the closest it would come is flopping a straight flush to the on a Jh Th 7h flop vs Ah Kh. Turn is a brick like 2c, then straight flush is 97.73 to win.

In other words, like all the rest of his proof and rants....is hot air and whining
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05-24-2022 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by erdvg55
That's what I have been doing and it pisses me off because then I never get a beat
every poker player worst nightmare
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05-24-2022 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL. As if the posting style and matching IPs weren't enough, you give yourself away with other details. But if you think you're fooling anyone by denying it, then carry on.


That's some amazing projection. All the poker sites are out to get you, and apparently so am I:


'You're out to get me, and you're extremely paranoid for calling me out for having multiple accounts, when I have multiple accounts!'

But if I wanted to make it more difficult for you, I'd just delete all your posts.


Pretty sure your accounts weren't banned when I replied to you, but I can't be certain, because I didn't ban them. However, that clearly doesn't stop you from replying anyway.
If you aren't the one banning me then who is? Also, there is a good chance that my IP address would be the same as someone else's because I use a VPN which as you know means IP addresses are shared.

If I get my account banned then I'm going to make another one, and another one, and another one, and another one until all the IP addresses on the planet are used up. So tell your buddy Madlex or whatever his name is to take a pill and chill out. I'm sorry I'm exposing your guys' secret and trying to protect the poker community and find answers to questions that I have rather than just blindly go about things. If you don't ban me then I don't have to make multiple accounts. Weird how that works right?

Also, I read a post that you made that specifically said that you don't keep track of IP addresses and that "privacy" of the people that sign up was the "utmost" importance to you. That went right out the window by saying that I have matching IP addresses with someone else and if you aren't intelligent enough to simply google that IP address and find the VPN that it is attached to then I can't help you but someone had addressed a concern about his information and IP address was one of those things he mentioned it and turns out he was right and that makes you a liar. What else is this person right about? I bet a lot more than you'll ever admit to. Give me a couple of minutes and I'll find the exact post and your comment. If I don't get banned between now and then.
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05-24-2022 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
Basically the closest it would come is flopping a straight flush to the on a Jh Th 7h flop vs Ah Kh. Turn is a brick like 2c, then straight flush is 97.73 to win.

In other words, like all the rest of his proof and rants....is hot air and whining

Maybe this is the one I was thinking about but I am trying to find it. I had taken a screenshot of the hand in HM3 but deleted it and can't find a way to recover and have been going through my database trying to find it. I can't remember exactly what happened but this is the closest I have found that could be what I was thinking of but I know that I saw it so just give me a bit more time to find it. I swear that the hand played out by the turn going J J or K J to give him a higher full house than I had but I'm not 100% sure but I swear that I saw 99.50% on the screen.





Show me proof that you have played one single hand of online poker if you are going to chime in, otherwise shutty.
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05-24-2022 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by thetruthwillexpose
Maybe this is the one I was thinking about but I am trying to find it. I had taken a screenshot of the hand in HM3 but deleted it and can't find a way to recover and have been going through my database trying to find it. I can't remember exactly what happened but this is the closest I have found that could be what I was thinking of but I know that I saw it so just give me a bit more time to find it. I swear that the hand played out by the turn going J J or K J to give him a higher full house than I had but I'm not 100% sure but I swear that I saw 99.50% on the screen.











Show me proof that you have played one single hand of online poker if you are going to chime in, otherwise shutty.
Lol. Stfu

I've been online playing since 2004, run a discord with 800 players. You're way over your head here.
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05-24-2022 , 11:37 AM
OK adewd then post a HH that shows you played one hand this month and I'll be quiet.

Also why isn't anyone commenting on the real issue here?

The fact that the house now has an invested interest in the outcomes of the hands. I've always heard that the site isn't rigged because it has no invested interest in any player winning or losing and they just collect rake. Now that completely changes things and now you are playing against the house with this cashout feature. Someone tell me why this isn't a concern for anyone else. Only people who actually have played online poker, not people who sit in the cheap seats. Ty
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05-24-2022 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thetruthwillexpose
OK adewd then post a HH that shows you played one hand this month and I'll be quiet.

Also why isn't anyone commenting on the real issue here?

The fact that the house now has an invested interest in the outcomes of the hands. I've always heard that the site isn't rigged because it has no invested interest in any player winning or losing and they just collect rake. Now that completely changes things and now you are playing against the house with this cashout feature. Someone tell me why this isn't a concern for anyone else. Only people who actually have played online poker, not people who sit in the cheap seats. Ty
Lol. Clown that refuses to post a hand history requests hand history. Rigtardia!

Look me up if you want to see if I'm real.

As I said, you're in way over your head. I do enjoy your whiny ramblings and bad beat crying. Something that will also shock you and you'll argue against....opponents are surely bumhunting you.


Aside from what my posting history has shown in going after cheaters, I had two colluders banned on Kings this past weekend. The biggest difference between us is I had 100% solid proof. I've done more to clean up the game than you've whined about the game. Keep posting random acreenshots, theyvmean nothing but your outrage and anger about them is quite comical.

If you ever want to post a full HH for review, I can have that done by far smarter people than I. They actually do independent security and tracking of bots.
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05-24-2022 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thetruthwillexpose
OK adewd then post a HH that shows you played one hand this month and I'll be quiet.

Also why isn't anyone commenting on the real issue here?

The fact that the house now has an invested interest in the outcomes of the hands. I've always heard that the site isn't rigged because it has no invested interest in any player winning or losing and they just collect rake. Now that completely changes things and now you are playing against the house with this cashout feature. Someone tell me why this isn't a concern for anyone else. Only people who actually have played online poker, not people who sit in the cheap seats. Ty
No you won't. You're at least as dishonest as the poker site you're ranting about. You are wilfully violating the TOS here by creating a new account after being banned.

You are a demonstrably unethical person.

Having said that, you're great comic relief, so please stick around!

And please post often! We all need a good chuckle in these trying times.
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05-24-2022 , 02:53 PM
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I swear that the hand played out by the turn going J J or K J to give him a higher full house than I had but I'm not 100% sure but I swear that I saw 99.50% on the screen.
It doesn't matter what you had or what he had. The point you're missing is that it's impossible for anyone to be a 99%+ favorite on any hand. As long as your opponent has 1 viable out card they have a roughly 2% chance of winning the hand, at least. The math isn't hard. One out card, 40 cards left in the deck, let's see if you can work it out.

I know this one hand isn't all that you're ranting about but if you don't even understand the most basic math involved in card games it's hard to take anything else you say seriously.
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05-24-2022 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WotPeed
It doesn't matter what you had or what he had. The point you're missing is that it's impossible for anyone to be a 99%+ favorite on any hand. As long as your opponent has 1 viable out card they have a roughly 2% chance of winning the hand, at least. The math isn't hard. One out card, 40 cards left in the deck, let's see if you can work it out.

I know this one hand isn't all that you're ranting about but if you don't even understand the most basic math involved in card games it's hard to take anything else you say seriously.
I'm no riggie, but you can be a 99.9% favourite in holdem. e.g. flopped quads versus an overpair.
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05-24-2022 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thetruthwillexpose
If you aren't the one banning me then who is?
No idea. A mod of this forum, I would expect.

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Originally Posted by thetruthwillexpose
Also, there is a good chance that my IP address would be the same as someone else's because I use a VPN which as you know means IP addresses are shared.
Yes, that can happen. Same for mobile IPs as well. Those IPs are pretty easy to spot, because they tend to have sizable lists of disparate posters, unlike the IPs you use. But if you want to continue pretending that it's just a coincidence that your IPs only have a small number of 2+2 members, all of whom have similar account traits and post the same rigged conspiracies, then don't let me stop you. I'm sure many people will see through my lies and understand that it's all just a big coincidence.

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Originally Posted by thetruthwillexpose
If I get my account banned then I'm going to make another one, and another one, and another one, and another one
You mean like you've been doing now for months already? OK, thanks for the update. You're not the first to do this, and you won't be the last.

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until all the IP addresses on the planet are used up.
LOL, good luck with that.

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Also, I read a post that you made that specifically said that you don't keep track of IP addresses and that "privacy" of the people that sign up was the "utmost" importance to you. That went right out the window by saying that I have matching IP addresses with someone else and if you aren't intelligent enough to simply google that IP address and find the VPN that it is attached to then I can't help you but someone had addressed a concern about his information and IP address was one of those things he mentioned it and turns out he was right and that makes you a liar. What else is this person right about? I bet a lot more than you'll ever admit to. Give me a couple of minutes and I'll find the exact post and your comment. If I don't get banned between now and then.
I'm not sure what you're on about here, but outing your matching accounts in no way breaches your privacy. None of your personal information has been shared, nor will it be.

But I'm looking forward to you sharing "the exact post and your comment" in "a couple of minutes". It's only been 416 so far.

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05-24-2022 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Spud Gun
I'm no riggie, but you can be a 99.9% favourite in holdem. e.g. flopped quads versus an overpair.
True. Not sure how I missed that one.
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05-24-2022 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
You're at least as dishonest as the poker site you're ranting about. You are wilfully violating the TOS here by creating a new account after being banned.

You are a demonstrably unethical person.

Oh c'mon lag, that's pretty tight, give the guy a break, lol. You don't honestly believe that do you?



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Having said that, you're great comic relief, so please stick around!

And please post often! We all need a good chuckle in these trying times.

So you willfully encourage him to abuse the TOS for your own amusement right after condemning him as being demonstrably dishonest and unethical for doing so?

What do you think that demonstrates?
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