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Maybe next week will be the week that proof is posted.

It's amazing how some people can use so many words to say so little.

Please provide some posts from this thread that provide compelling evidence of a specific rig.

Thanking you in advance.

Hi everyone. Hope all is well. I play on ignition and ignition only at the moment due to covid.

So I voted yes in the poll. I believe online poker is more likely than not to be rigged. I believe it is rigged for two reasons. 1. Occam's razor, and 2. It is an undisputed fact that past sites rigged the game with either superusers or via other means.

I'd like to mention I've played probably around 50k on ignition so far. I do not play nearly as much as I use to because of the above reasons and I prefer to make my real money in the stock market rather than the Casino. Go TSLA!!

Anyway, it's simple guys, if you had the power to cheat people out of their money, would you? The answer is more likely than not - I mean we are all poker players here ahahah. "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton

Everyone says where is your proof? Well, that's an absurd question because it would be very difficult to prove the malfeasance accuring due to the illicit and hidden nature of the business. Ignition poker is not licensed nor is it audited by any third parties. This is a massive huge flag and is reason to alone to be more conservative in accessing the risk of any malfeasance.

One thing I always notice is the insane amount of pocket pairs I get.

Another slight digression from the question at hand: I find it very interesting that some of the moderators of this site have taken a side on this issue, or am I misreading the situation? I have concerns about this organization's ties to other poker sites. Anyone share these concerns?

Not if I could make a boatload of money without cheating.


Superuser's, bots and collusion were ALL proven with evidence, so it is NOT absurd to ask for evidence.

Would it be "absurd" of me to ask you for proof of this?

1. Not true. See previous cases - AB poker scandal and Ultimate Bet.

2. Okay sure, if it helps you sleep at night? But there really is no need since it's so obvious, ignition has all the characteristics from these past cases in term of no regulation and oversight. If ignition opened up and let us (third parties) see inside what's under the hood, then I would agree with you more here.

3. Nah I'm too lazy but I think some other people have also made this same observation in this thread and others. Why are you so interested in this evidence, may I ask? Do you think absence of evidence is proof of it not being rigged?

Also, you yourself have admitted that some online poker sites were rigged in the past, which really means yes, online poker is rigged because it was, and thus, it likely still is because nothing has changed at all. WE need regulated poker bad here in the states like they have in Europe.

Shady poker rooms don't take your money by dealing players bunches of paired hands, or by way of "action flops", or whatever.

They close up shop in the middle of the night, and skip town. (Lock Poker, et. al)

1. I believe rigging in general is certainly possible.

2. 89,000+ posts in this thread, and ZERO compelling evidence of any specific rig.

3. This thread is for entertainment purposes only.



4. Solid evidence of a specific rig would have it's own thread.

5. The main purpose of this thread is to mock Riggies who base their riggie theories on FEELZ instead of evidence.

What are you talking about? I never claimed they did? Lol wtf? Sounds like you have been repeating this line for a while.

Anyway, it looks like you can't counter my argument in any logical manner. There are so many cases of malfeasance and you want more evidence? Yes, it is very absurd and honestly quite suspect to request more evidence when there is already tons of it.

Please show me a post in this thread that contains compelling evidence of a specific rig, and I will be a True Believer.

Bots and collusion and Superuser's are NOT "rigs", because they are not instigated by the site itself.

The sites work hard to eliminate those things.

It’s comforting to know the sites worked hard to eliminate something they put in place themselves.

Superuser's are typically rogue employees, such as the UB superuser.

If your idea of debate and proof is basically, "I would cheat if I could get away with it", and, "I can't give any proof because it's too difficult to find some but I think I receive too many pocket pairs", then this thread is not for you.

Play or don't play. No one cares. Except the sites, who don't rig because they want people to play a fair game against each other where they can take some of their money whoever wins, at no financial risk to themselves, (unlike with casino games where a luckbox could take them for a million, with a bit of luck). And the honest pokerplayers who spend time off the tables working out how to beat the others in their games in a fair manner. (I'm omitting for a moment the actual threats to players being cheated by colluders and bots, which is where both players and sites should be focussing attention; and the very odd site that shuts and runs after telegraphing by their withdrawals delaying tactics that that is quite possibly imminent).

Wow these are quite amazing statements. Just wow!

1. I have to ask because it seems like you are really 1 sided here: Do you work for ignition? I explained that there cannot be hard proof because ignition is a black box. Do you know what a black box is?

2. They are not rigs? What???? Superusers, bots, and collusion are not rigs???? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!! Who has control over the site? According to you, it's not the sites themselves. According to you, it's anybody who wants to ahahahah. This is a complete joke and there is no logic in what you are saying. This is a classic red herring and not a valid argument.

3. See 1. Also, where's your evidence? It's unlikely the sites would want to have less traffic on their site. Bots equals more traffic, which equals more rake and more money. Why would you want to institute policies that make you less money, especially when there are almost no consequences for not tackling these issues.

Anyone know if the mods on this site allow for poker site employees to post on these forums?

1. It's not direct proof but it's the best we can do at the moment. Presumptions are made all the time in logical arguments. It is more then reasonable to compare past cases - UB and other scandals - and extrapolate to current ones - ignition.

I am certain that I get way too many pocket pairs, and others have collaborated that sentiment. That is enough proof for me and many other reasonable people that something may be out of whack.

2. I agree. It is what it is at the moment. We need reform in the states.

Again, can anyone answer if this site has any connections to ignition and these other poker sites? I would think sites like these have a heavy interest in maintaining the myth that there is no malfeasance in the world of illegal online poker despite previous cases.

You really are showing your true colours, aren't you? "I would cheat and steal if I could as long as I don't get into trouble if I'm caught."

I hope to **** you haven't wormed and lied your way into any sort of a responsible job. I certainly wouldn't like to buy what I expected to be a piece of fried chicken from you.

So, you respond to my logical argument by attacking my character? Sorry. That's not right. Are you a mod?

My argument still stands and has merit. Attack my argument on the merits.

The answer is no. To both the question and the (expected, by way of your personality) thought.

Yes, to the question, and no, you have made no argument (in the debate sense) with any merit.

Now calm down a bit. You progressed pretty quickly through the various stages of riggie. You said proof was that you think other people have said they have concerns, and then you wondered if a person who is basically a religious zealot works for Ignition. He does not of course. He works for the GG network. I work for Ignition and every site, even those I have not been involved with, and I get paid well for that.

Anyways, the best thing for you to do is actually list your specific rig belief. I recently posted a resource you may be interested which has a decent size lists of a variety of riggie beliefs, many of which directly contradict each other, but do not let that concern you - they all think it is rigged. Here is the link for that again, as you may find it helpful

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=84034

Let me know what you thinking about that, and then present your specific concerns. It can be anything. Too many pocket pairs. Too few pocket pairs. Big stacks win too much. Big stacks lose too much. Be specific, but also be creative.

Once you have done that your next job, and this is the hard one, is to get other riggies in this thread to specifically support it. Most riggies completely ignore the specifics of other riggies. At best they will join with you in saying that people like me get paid to post here (true, I get paid a huge amount), but they will not talk about your specific rig concern. That is just the way of riggie nation, but perhaps you can change all of that with your next posts.

Do not get caught in the personal attack trap that we shills, who gets paid by the sites, will tempt you with - just stay on target and post your pure riggie theory in this appropriate thread, and also feel free to create multiple posting accounts to support yourself and vote again. Other riggies have done that, and if more would do it then the riggie side may eventually win a riggie poll in a riggie thread.

All the best.

There are murders in your country. You must be a murderer.

See how that works.

The only argument you've made is your lazy and support a network you feel is cheating by not posting your HH to show after 50K hands you've had pocket pairs 20K times or something.

You gave successfully argued that you would cheat if you could, since other have. You are are a co-conspirator with a network that your big ol feelz say is cheating but too lazy to do anything about.

Congrats, well done.

I've said this many times, but not recently, so here goes:

1. If you believe that there is a good possibility that a site is rigged, DON'T PLAY ON THAT SITE.

2. Never deposit money on ANY poker site that would cause you financial and/or emotional hardship if the site shut down tomorrow and skipped town with all your money.

Aahhaha. Thank you all for your brilliant responses that lack any coherence or logic. Those attacks on my character are really cute ahahhaha. I am an auditor and I would love to audit this site and other pokers sites to see how crooked you bastards are.

If potential online poker players are reading this, as you can see, I hit many cords with my posts. It is all very clear now. Thank you so much for showing more than ever before that the sites, esp ignition, are rigged. You vile shills are crooks and scammers, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am not sure how most of you scum bags make any money anymore - most people would never deposit money (only btc now? ahahah) on ignition. You all sound very uneducated as well. Fits the bill I guess - most criminals are. Please learn to put together logical arguments and sentences if you are trying to respond to people in this thread. I would not be surprised if most of the posters here are actually 1 person. The mods seem to be very corrupt here and vile. Mods should moderate and never attack.

You crooks need to be do a better job of being crooks. Seriously. You are all way too obvious hahahah.

I would not be surprised at all if most of the people that have responded to me are either A. paid directly be ignition or these other sites, or B. the actual people robbing people of their money on these sites. The mods here are obviously somehow connected to the illegal poker websites.

Anyway, to any potential online poker players, do not play on ignition, see the above responses to my posts as prima facie evidence that the sites are most definitely not legitimate.

I see no reason why volunteer moderators should have to put up with unfounded and hateful accusations like this, so I'm going to ask you to provide some evidence of this, or retract it.

And before you launch into some tirade about 2+2 being in on it or some such nonsense - Ignition doesn't advertise with us, but they compete with sites that do, so if we made moderating decisions based on advertising (which we don't), we should be very supportive of your negativity towards Ignition.

Virtually everything in your post is wrong and easily shown to be wrong. You should back up a bit.

I've never seen anyone post in this thread that a poker site is definitely not rigged or that there is no chance of this happening. The position of most rational posters who understand poker and math is that they have never seen any evidence of a rigged deal. And this is reinforced by the fact that in over 20 years of online poker generating billions and billions of hand histories, not one site has ever been shown to have a rigged deal. And not one ex-employee has ever come forward, even with many dozens of former sites.

The mocking tones are because every story told by a riggie in this thread never stands up to scrutiny. And after years of the same bad beat whines over and over, the regular posters are just hardened to it and dismissive of such claims without any justification. They entertain themselves poking fun at silly unjustified claims of a crooked deal just based on someone's personal bad beats.

Also other than the two admitted employees who post in this thread, as far as I know everyone else is a regular random player or former player who just reads and posts here for entertainment or out of boredom. I've been around this forum for 13 years or so and would probably know if there were real "shills" here.

As to whether Ignition or any other site deals a rigged game, lots of posters here would be eager to help evaluate any hand history evidence of this were it to be presented. This has been done a few times and never panned out as evidence of anything but a normal deal. But people are not just open minded, many would be excited to be a part of exposing cheating, and members here have done so before.

Lastly, despite your claims, you seem to have very little grasp of poker math or statistics, or of randomness and how it affects poker games. Computer analysis of hand histories is much more reliable and accurate than observations and gut feel, which tends to be terrible when it comes to interpreting random data. That's why evidence is always asked for, instead of bad beat anecdotes. Most of the kinds of "rigs" described in this thread would need only a reasonable number of hand histories to validate the suspicion, almost never "millions" as riggies often claim.

Oh pumpkin, you're....kinda potato aren't ya?

1. YOU said you had proof they rig the game.

2. YOU said you were to lazy to get it.

3. YOU claimed the site was rigged because other sitea have engaged in shady behavior.

Therefore....

You willingly allow a site to cheat players because, as you have said, you are too lazy to show the proof so the community can act against them.

Then, you blah blah blah out a bunch of nonsense. You suggest you've riled up people. Speaking for myself, I'm not riled up at all. I'm laughing, at you and others that profess big bad feelz and promptly refuse to show their proof. It is like laughing at the kid that needs a Scuba Steve in their life.

I repeated your words, not an attack on your character. If I were to attack your character, it would have been along the lines stating you seem like a putz with no real clue about poker, and probably slight in stature, fairly weak, and with few friends in the real world. That would be a reason for being so fierce on an anonymous forum were you can be edgy.

Yet, I did not say any of that. I merely repeated your words.

As far as the money I make from poker every year, plenty, thanks for your concern. To address the affiliate and emptyheaded claim of shill, like the other prokaryote ITT, you're still clueless. Networks often screw over affiliates. They cut fees, add phantom expenses, etc... WPN just tried to end a six figure revenue share per annum, turning it to $0.00, forever. Another much bigger site decided to have affiliates pay 100% of player bonuses out of their net pay. It is amusing when the truly clueless and ignorant make bold claims without any idea wtf they are talking about. You're just one of a handful of dullards in this thread to make them. It is a common trait among those with less than a dozen neurons firing at once.

As far as the host of this forum, 2+2 stopped doing business with a site they had a fundamental difference with and initiated the loss of revenue. Just another example of how the clueless, such as your peachy self, spews nonsense without any clue of wtf you're talking about.

Is it any wonder those that spew stupidity in a public forum about things they know nothing about tend to be the ones that spews chips on a poker table....something they also know nothing about.

You're time here is shortlived. You made epically stupid accusations about the mods. While they have an extremely long fuse, personal attacks of integrity should get you the ban whammy soon enough.

You have fun yelling at them clouds!! Just an fyi, in case you're confused, the big yellow one is the sun. Hope that helps.

You caught me!

I am indeed a shill and a crook.

I get paid $25.25 per post in this thread to mock Riggies.

Please keep posting as often as possible.

Please don't leave or get banned. It would mean lost revenue for me.