TwoplusTwo is obviously trying to silence the Riggies, this 89,000+ post thread dedicated to Riggie Theories notwithstanding.

I wish I could post my pppoker replay links here. I bet they'll get a wtf response.!!

It is a shame that there is no way to video record them from your computer and post them for others to view. Perhaps one day there will be that structure in place. Until then, I suggest you try to get fellow riggies here to support your belief, though that is usually a very difficult task.

What were your specific riggie beliefs? Action hands, big stacks win too much? Flush draws? Pocket pairs? Quads? AA lose all the time? Helps to have an idea what your personalized riggie beliefs are, so feel free to share.

All the best.

I've never made a YouTube video, but I believe it's time. Maybe then I can post the link and share my screen recordings that way. I reaaaally want to hear people thoughts as I find the difference in views and thoughts fascinating.

Of course you do, and I am sure your riggie beliefs, whatever they may be (you have yet to say what they are) will be dramatic and change everything, even though you will not be able to find another riggie who will likely support them specifically. I checked out one of your earlier posts

and indeed the math checks out. Here is a resource for you to use

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=84034

that will help you see some other riggies beliefs and statements as well as the commandments riggies tend to follow.

Feel free to give some feedback on it, and update us on the youtube efforts as there is a reasonable chance that both people that eventually watch it will have an opinion about it.

All the best.

Thanks for responding, and since you checked out my earlier post and said the math checks out, could you kindly tell me the odds of 11 cards in 1 suit being played out in a hand on a 9 max plo table.? While you're at it, kindly calculate the odds of a royal flush vs a straight flush being hit on a 3 man table in plo with 10 cards in 1 suit being played. Have you ever witnessed such a thing in live? Especially having this type of thing happen with a raise post flop. I was told I was cherry picking, but yet to hear anyone say they've seen such a thing in their entire life. Lol Another thing, what about the YouTube video I posted of ALLINMAN? What's your take on that.?? We've all given our thoughts and feelings on our evidence, but I feel im getting thoughts on my actions of posting rather than what I post.

I would say the odds are 50/50 - either it happened or it did not.

Also keep in mind if you were playing 9 max plo and 11 cards came out of a suit that means it was 9/11. That cannot be a coincidence.

I suspect you are just about to uncover a deeper plot here, so be sure to keep that in mind once you make your hands known to the public, and again - do not let the total lack of specific support by any other riggie sway you - that is just the way riggies behave about other theories, and they have not experienced the 9/11 rig like you did, so they will continue to believe in their personalized riggie beliefs for now.

You definitely should read the link I provided, as within that long list you may find some others that have experienced something like you have, though quads seems to be the most popular big hand riggie concern, with royals behind it. That makes sense, because sites are clever enough to hide rigs in hands that literally everyone will remember, because noone will expect the rigs to be in those hands, and the programmers who in decades and hundreds of rooms are the ones who keep silent on these things. People like you are needed to uncover this type of stuff so continue with your research, and keep us updated with your progress!

As a final note, in under 10 posts you are exceedingly more entertaining than the Boredom riggie. Well done!

All the best.

Please post your video before this thread reaches 90,000 posts.

Then I won't be able to rightly claim ,"90,000 posts in this thread, and ZERO compelling evidence of a specific rig on a specific site."

Thanking you in advance.

Ah, but how often have you seen 2c3c4h5s vs 6c7c8h9s vs TcJcQhKs with a board of 2d5c9c Ac 2h?

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Edit: Oops. Silly question. That's impossible to happen, too.

Pppoker is just like poker bros. Same runouts same clubs. Im working on a YouTube video for poker bros I have 1452 hrs of game play recorded via xrecorder thats im cutting up.. Basically 60 min of runouts and hand histories per video, some even show obvious collusion.

When you see how many times the only 2 miracle runner runners appear its a eye opener.

Just a recent cherry picked hand but this happened 4/12 hands with player all in on the flop in a 10 minute period.



Folded top set on the flop (i was 0/8 being ahead against this player) glad I did you start to know what will happen only case case came lol

In the first hand he also wins with a single king being dealt on the turn or river, so was not quite the miracle miracle situation you believe it to be.

Anyway, he had an 11%+ chance of winning on the flop, and he did have a couple 9s in his hand

9/11

The second hand the winning hand had a 9 as part of a straight where the next card would be an 11. Also the two winning cards used (9 and 8) total to 17 and if you subtract the cards not used (3+2+1) then 17 - 6 = 11

9/11

Coincidence? I think not!

All the best.

How do you expect people to get evidence? No one has the source code for the poker client, you can't go to the office where its operated and is run to see how it works

Yet you keep asking for evidence, it kind of like deplatforms the whole debate, because you think you can just say well what evidence do you have?

If people keep telling what they experienced on the site and the maths is way off, or there is an unusual losing streak, that is just not good enough for you, you still want evidence that is impossible to get

If the "math is way off", that would be easy to prove by livestreaming for about 40 hours.

Do you agree with that?

How do we know the math is way off? A single hand that the lowest probable card hitting the river that is exactly.....one hand.

Now, if you can show a database of being dealt pocket pairs 23% of time over 20K hands....we have something to talk about.

I was in a hand today, FH, vs straight flush vs ace high flush. Guess what, I lost that hand.....to a better hand. **** happens.

Bad beats stick out because the improbability of them hitting. You can probably peel off 10 bad beats in no time. How many bad beats can you list that you wielded the whammy hammer on the river when you caught the miracle 4 outer??

I think part of the problem in the 2nd hand is that everyone is playing with 5 cards and you are playing with 2. Seems like the odds are really against you.

monty. what would you say you do here?



dont be so hard on yourself! i didnt call you stupid. i mean i havent. i was just mentioning that the reason for you being so apologetic towards those you respect and disrespectful for those who you believe are not so smart is probably an indication of your desire to be smarter than you actually are. thats why i pointed out that your are not excluded from the world of knowledge. you could study instead of just trying to look smarter. yes of course you are free to stick to your routine, and 5 years later be the same person and post the same kind of arguments you have been posting for the past 15 years. it is your choice and i agree with you, these kind of choices make your real character not what a standard rando riggie like me says/thinks about you.

I appreciate you trying so hard with the riggie psycho analysis approach, but again - many, many riggies before you have tried that bit, and some of them were kind of fun with it. Your material is kind of meh, and you just seem generally frustrated, so my suggestion to you is figure out a way to be more competitive with me in the future, as that would be a lot more fun if and when a riggie that makes me stretch my skills appears. Has not happened yet, so when you come back again in a few years try to bring a better game.

Anyway this current batch of brand new riggies are more fun with their math skills, their energy, and their riggie enthusiasm. Why don't you at least take a minute to pick one and offer that riggie a little bit of specific support instead of obsessing so much about me. This thread is about silly riggies and their silly beliefs, so take a break from your boring stalky stalk stuff and have a little fun! At least confirm the 9x4=36 math from that one riggie like I did (see how happy he was) - is that too much to ask of grizzled riggies like you to offer to the younger up and coming riggies?

All the best.

well, i dont see (any) tests being made either. as a rational poster shall i take the position that tests have not been made for 10 years, because the last evidence of a test is about 10 years old? as an outsider how should i distinguish between a riggie claim and your claim? how do i know you didnt make an error while conducting your tests? what were you testing for at all? rational people dont make claims of being sure of rigging not happening for the very reason of the impossibility of generalization. that is you can only make a finite set of claims that certain kinds of rigs (that you thought of) dont exist up until certain points in time. (until sampled)
in software development it is standard procedure to maintain tests for proving the robustness of the software up to a point. yet bugs do exist and come to existence as time goes by. the same procedure could be applied to hhs, but they are not (to my knowledge), still people make overly bold claims and expecting to accept their word for them.

when a riggie story doesnt stand up to scrutiny it can mean a multitude of things: maybe the idea is indeed stupid, maybe the observation is misunderstood or misrepresented, maybe the idea is not conceptualized well enough, maybe a combination of these. let me use your logic again: if it is so trivial to prove the silliness of riggie ideas, why is there no proof of them? why are there no public tests of hhs, forum topics proving the silliness of each individual ideas. monty used to have a list of riggie categories for the purpose of mocking. i guess it would be easy for actual smart guys to maintain another list where these riggie claims are actually proven wrong.

please note: i understand that it is not your (and the ones whose point of view you represent here so to speak) job to analyze/rationalize/prove/disprove someone else's lousy claims, i just want to point out that unless you do all of these voluntarily the weight of your words is no different than a riggie's.

its etology im suggesting to you. Common chimpanzees use strength, intelligence, and political alliances to establish and maintain alpha position. Alpha males who solely use intimidation and aggression to keep their position often provoke dissent. Coalitions will eventually form, which at some point will topple the alpha male...

please dont take it literally!

Instead of obsessing about me, just post just one nice support post for a fellow riggie. Choose pocket pair dude or 9x4 dude or a different one. I get that you are moving into the stalky kind of riggie that will appear every few years to post about me. Had those before, and perhaps you will go the route of a portion of them who send me personal real life threats via PM, like one did earlier this year. I always say that is the choice of people like you, but I do stress that given this thread is about fun - try to have some and do that by showing a fellow riggie of yours a little love already, and spend less time of your day obsessing about me. I will have literally no memory of you as a specific poster within a day or two (if that) - and I suggest you consider a similar approach with others here, given the irrelevant and disposable nature of this thread.

As to your belief that no testing has been done in 10 years of hand histories - not sure what to suggest to you - testing is done literally all the time in much more detailed manners these days, and they are done for obtaining competitive advantages (which = money), so you will not see overall results posted like Spadebidder and others were nice to do years ago, that riggies disregarded. Tons of hands are being analyzed all the time for population tendencies for instance. Not sure why riggies like you think no hands are ever being analyzed any more, but it shows how uncompetitive you are in this industry.

All the best.

There is bad beats then there is actions flops where everyone hits hard and money is in on the flop.

Over 5000s hand you think a win rate of 9% ahead on flop and 7.5% ahead on turn is pretty standard?

If none of this is true why are clubs losing so many players? Tournament values in diamond union are starting to not make sense 8.00$ buyin 1888gtd yet they had 10.00 buyin 5k Gtd. Lets not forget 25% of thier tournament players are playing multi entry. So if the whole deal is so legit why are players leaving?

In the end we believe what we think is convenient and greed don't exist in the world. Also remember sunshine union from pppoker had a hand in making this software and claimed it it was made because pppoker was charging too much to operate as a union.

I can show same exact hands being dealt back to back to back and other crazy stuff and I do in a different forum where MANY speak their mind about what they are witnessing. If you happen to find the forum there you will find a link to my imgur account. I only have 600 hands posted small sample I know.

I fold flop with my aajj10 double suited obviously but not before raise reraise preflop and literaly no one had a hand that warranted a reraise. This is a sit and go played 10 in a row all made to final table just to have crazy run outs to the largest stack.

you are probably not realizing it, but you are using a form of "rigs have become so sophisticated that they cant be detected" riggie-argument to persuade me: "analytics have become so sophisticated that they detect everything".

Rigs as presented here would easily be detected. Hand histories (analyzed in the quantity that I know about) woudld discover pretty much anything at this point, and there is still the reality that a programmer would disclose a rig by now as well which riggies dismiss with silly NDA and other things. Riggie stuff is literally a zero issue in this industry outside riggie threads, and if yous search you will find a riggie that went to the Nevada public meetings to express riggie concerns. He was handled as any nutjob is at an annual meeting with the - we can see you are very concerned about your issue, let's talk about it after the meeting to move them along and not get muddled by the eye-rolling nonsense. Was a pretty funny trip report, as the guy who posted it in NVG had no idea how nutso he came off.

As to the riggie posting a few hands.

You hand was basically junk on that flop, which happens. You were not entitled to win the hand. Its a micro 5 card Omaha tourney, so people will play all sorts of stuff, and if you won the hand you would never post it.

I mean - what is the point of your rig? The sites create crazy action hands in tournaments so they stand out and get noticed, while generating no extra rake (rake is paid to play the tournament, not on a per hand basis). Why does it seem like only you (according to you) are the victim of these rigs. Did you do something personal to the site to merit this attention?

My question is simple. You are posting a few cherry picked hands, and complaining about bad beats (though most not as bad as you think). Why not just post this in the bad beat forum to vent as you need, when you do not win a hand in a micro tourney? How come you never manage to post a hand of you winning? Do you literally never win a hand or something? Do they let you win hands at times? How do they do this type of personalized rig to every player at the same time, when you will play against different players all the time?

How about you do this - pick a time in the future where you stream with a delay and you announce in advance what to expect with this rig. Do it for a few hours so a good chunk of hands are played and give commentary on every hand to show how it fits your rig beliefs. You can even just watch a tournament and open up 2-4 tables and comment on every hand as they are played and keep track of the "rigged for action" and mundane hands, and then you will have an actual documented record of your rig in action instead of you posting a few cherry picked hands that should just be posted in BBV.

Let us know when you will do the above, but do not worry - nobody expects it to happen ever.

All the best.

✅ Agreed. Gotta find a pattern and go from there. Should be interesting we all take some action in 1 particular room, investigate, find the licks, those who benefits from those licks (regulars that take it easy?) and those who dont (fishes who keep on putting $$ in?). ✅

Be safe, stay home!

thats great, you can easily disprove each of your riggie-types then by attaching the specs of each of your proofs!

i assume there are no NDAs attached to these tests, so lets see what you have!

Proving that pocket pairs get dealt (via HH analysis) in the expected amount would show when pocket pairs are mathematically dealt in the proper amount. That shows the riggie belief that they are not was incorrect, and most specific riggie beliefs would fall apart with this simple type of analysis

Now, the disprove negative thing (a riggie commandment) you are pushing becomes silly when you get into vague stuff like "there are too many action hands" or "donks get too lucky." If those conditions are not defined then there is no way to specifically test them, and certainly no way to disprove them. Their rig conditions are basically meaningless, which is why I ask riggies to list their specific rig concerns (which most choose not to do for obvious reasons)

Here, you try it. Prove Lizard People do not exist. Prove that the Corona virus is not a byproduct of 5g technology. Prove that the song on Mr Rogers TV show really said "the" neighborhood in an alternate time line instead of "this." No NDAs in any of this stuff, so nothing to stop you. Show me how this type of "proof" is done , and be sure top attach all your specs!.

Don't worry, there are hundreds of more conspiracies that exist - so once you prove those did not happen we can list many more, and you can take the time to disprove them all just as you are suggesting should be done here with riggies. This is how you believe things should be done, so let's see someone of your kind lead by example of the conditions you suggest on others. Don't worry- nobody ever expects that to happen, because riggies doing actual work is not part of their innate culture. I expect you to instead go back to some of your older bits like telling me to "ask a math guy" or ignore it all and just say how easy it would be to disprove riggie theories, because that is the lazy approach to debates riggies like you use all the time. Very predictable, so let's see you prove me right .

All the best.