I get easy 4-6 Table 6max with 2-3 Fish like that.
You can not argument with skill it is just impossible, you see the stats and you see the plays.
They are like prime example for fish, a 30 minutes crash-course should be enough to beat those tables.
And even there its like 4-5 BB/100 with insane variance.
Which should be easy solid 10+ BB per 100.

Slightly tougher games should be pure gamble, if optimal opponents give you results like this.

I play 5 out of 100 Hands at SD they have 15 and more,
but my Rate is 50-60 %.
Add rake and non-SD because of folding to that and there is almost no difference.
There is barely an advantage is simple hand selection.
Dont get me wrong there is still an advantage but it is so slim right now, which makes no sense at all.
Everybody is almost equally tough to play if you play the average player or a total fish makes almost no difference.
It is just way to much gambling.
I just miss to play normal poker.
Right now it is like I am hitting the slot machine most of the time, not matter how my opponent plays.

Certain formats become much more difficult as player rewards drop (and rake increases, though there have not been dramatic cash game 6-max rate changes lately). Most of teh hands you post in your threads are from 2NL and 5NL, and those games are filled with quite a few more people from East Europe who mass table them for small earnings (or on some non Pokerstars sites rakeback). You also will likely come accross many more bots in that format as well these days on certain networks than in the past.

I completely understand that you would like to believe that it has to be rigged against you, and that is the only reason why you no longer crush the games like you may have (who knows if you ever really did) with as you call it "normal" poker. That belief removes you from the equation of responsibility for your inadequate results, essentially it is not your fault etc.

Problem is, all you will ever get with that approach is some mumbly nods of approval from other dusty geezers and paranoid people like jungmit, who want to believe the same. You will not provide valid statistical evidence of any rig, all you are is the guy at the table (live or online) who complains all the time.

Reality is your results are your results, so whether it is a massive conspiracy against you (at the 2NL tables), or your inability to keep up with the games - it almost does not matter, other than for your personal rationalization needs. If you are not enjoying the game (sure seems like you are not), and you are not deriving income from it (sure seems like you are not), then whether you complain or not will not change those factors, so waste less time on futile activities and quit all forms of poker, and go out and drink a variety of barley.

All the best.

It is really not about the money, especially on those stakes.
I also used to play NL50+ and still didnt quit my job to play full time.
To play for a living it would take NL1000 plus for me.
I just play poker instead of videogames.

Back then I could make more plays and use strategy and so on.
Right now everything is like a flip, every decision and every hand.
Even if I dominate with 70% and more its a sweat.
Even if I bet above 8outs or toppair with a good kicker it is a sweat vs a station.
Because I lose them almost equally.
It is just not the same game anymore.

For example right now I 3bet AK and get 2 cold calls flop QKK and I know he got KQ.
Won the hand because an Ace on the turn, but I guessed right he had KQ.
This would have been back then irrelevant to consider, but right now you get spots like that so often that you have.

I mean thats another thing.
Spots that would be considered sick are quite common right now.
You see few of them in a single session.

Just couple hands later I get Q9 3 Handed on K6J 9 T check check River both have the AQ.
Like a circus show.

Seems like we have a new clueless donk not understanding how much he sucks and can't beat the game.

I am actually beating the stakes that I play with 4-5 BB / 100 like I wrote before.
It is just how.

Cite for the bolded?

For example:

2010-2012 if I wasnt in the mood to play, I was 12-24 Tabling NL10 and had a consistent winrate of 12-14 BB/100.

Seriously focused 2-4 tabling NL2/NL5 with table-selection shouldn't give me the even half of that rate ?
Kind of hard to believe.
Or in other words a NL2 Callingstation with for example VPip 40+ should have crushed NL10 in 2010, obviously he is supposed to be way better.

OK, it is not about the money.


OK, it is about the money, since if it was not about the money you would not really care if you were winning at 4BB/100 or losing at 4BB/100 (particularly when that works out to less than 10 cents per table per hour at the stakes you are playing.


Your concerns are vague, and ironically the one hand you drone on about (the AK KQ one), the only rig theory that would apply to it would be something your "true dat" supporter said

Apparently, the site rigs it to help you, because you must really be a losing player and the site is trying to help you lose slower.


Anyway, you are not really a riggie, you are mainly a dinosaur who likes to whine a lot. Some people like being the victim, maybe you are one of them, who knows. There is a forum for you to post your meaningless concerns and specific hands

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...rags-variance/

Feel free to post your AK/KQ tale there along with your general game concerns and you will get all the attention you seek.


Obama is not in his first term any more. Welcome to late 2017. A wooden bird pecking a keyboard could win in 2010. Things have changed, the game has changed. You have not.

All the best.

So where can I find that winning strategy with whom I can beat the game but still play more then 33 % of my Hands ?

I mean you cant have both you cant agree with current strategy contents that are out there and also defend certain plays that do the complete opposite.
You got to pick one.

You and your game are deeply outdated. The only strategy I suggest for you is invent time travel and go back to 2010. I have no doubt if you sent a sample of 5,000+ hands of recent cash game play to any established cash game coach they would point out a long list of leaks and flaws, so if you really want to bring your game up to date - go to the coaching forum, find an appropriate coach and do that.

The other option, given you don't really care about the money, and its a consumption of time instead of Pokemon Go or whatever for you, is just play however you like, outdated or not, and whine to your heart's content if that makes you feel better. You can pretend to believe you are a great player in your mind still in this scenario as a bonus.

Your path to choose, either is fine depending on your needs, and I can assure you that I have no concern which one you will pick, although historically nearly 0% of people in your situation pick the coaching and improving option. The few that do, and follow up on it properly, laugh at themselves later on when they read their posts that are like your recent ones.

All the best.

Not really I watch coaching streams every week.
Simple things like how to play opponents who play alot of their hands and make loose calls didnt really change, the concept how you play a station didnt change like I said before a station is still a station.
Why should it change that makes no sense.
If a opponent plays the same way like before why should it change ?

What I want to point out you got to pick a side.
You cant say current strategy and content works but then go and defend horrible play at the same time.

The same apply to the topic of leaks.
You can not argue the villian is better because the hero has small leaks while the villian has gigantic leaks and missplays way more hands.
You dont have to be the best player in the world you just have to better then you opponent.

Also to the point my game is out dated.
Even if my strategy is out dated I shouldnt be a running bad or equal versus somebody that has no clue at all.

Things make no sense to you, because you do not get it. You keep insisting that I "take a side" based on your definition of your world (where somehow players have not improved over the years), but I do not agree with your assessment of yourself or your game or your view of the industry, so that makes "your sides" within your world pointless. They are a piece of fiction in your mind, based on an outdated world that no longer exists.

As expected you will just continue doing what you are doing, and that's fine if this is how you want to consume your time. You are not really a riggie, rather you are more of a general complainer, even if all your whines are not about specific bad beats. Literally a ton of people like you in this industry, and despite them being among the least fun people to endure, they are generally good for the poker economy, so better players happily put up with (and even encourage) the whines at the table. You probably find a lot of people agree with you at the table for instance when you complain. Now you know why. Don't tap the tank.

All the best.

I think you just have no imagination how bad players on the micros still are.
The vast majority has no concept or discipline.
The amount of time you see insane missplays is huge.
By arguing it is because everybody got so much better you are kind of implying those are good players and this are good plays.
Which stands in total contrast to common strategy.
What I say is, you just got the two options because of that, either common strategy is right and those are really bad players or common strategy is wrong an those are really good players.
It is not little bit different it is night and day.

In general, your opponents have gotten much better. Yes, there are still enormous fish waiting to hand you their money, but there are also more players trying to get that money.

More skilled opposition means smaller slices of the fish for everybody.
This is a bad interpretation. See above.

Cuz it's rigged to keep the game more even now.

On the micros it barely makes a difference.
Because you got so many of them.
Even if half of them went away over night you still got enough to find 4 juicy tables in few minutes.

When I started it was even worse barely anybody was playing.
Just couple hours of the day where fishy and I spend 30-60 min to get seated.
And if you found somebody with VPIP 50 you where calling your friends on the phone so they dont miss it, today you find fish like that almost in a instant.

U will never convince them. They think the micro players are sooooooooo much better today then 2010. To your a term of the kids. Lol. The micro players today are as bad as they were 10 years ago. But u are right they seem to be more cooler situations, but u don't seem to see more cooler situations live. Kinda weird if u ask me

Well then I guess it sucks for you that whatever site you plan on clearly has risked their entire business on making sure you can't win more than 30 cents an hour or whatever's happening to you.

Definitely more likely than just games getting harder and you not adapting, because of course that would mean somehow the problem is you, and of course you're God's gift to poker.
Look, jungmit's giving advice to shills now!

Impressive amount of text with literally nothing backing any of it up!

Logically its also impossible, because then you would make a absolute statement on a statistic event.
You can just make statistical evaluations or say how likely it would be, but you cant make it a yes or no anwser.
That's like the key issue beside that it would be impossible difficult.

The only way would be to catch them red handed.
You just can determine it if you see the process how its generated.
Everything else is just speculation.

Let's pretend and go along with your belief that poker players have not improved in the last decade. Let's also play along with your uninformed idea of how math and statistics work. We are totally playing along with the world you believe exists. In this world of yours, where you no longer beat 2NL at the rate you like, what is your specific rig belief that is the cause of this travesty of justice? Very specific question - let's see if you can give a very specific answer (odds are not high on that obviously).

All the best.

The increase of variance and the influence of the cards been dealt on the game/session.
We can argue on the cause it is rigged, games got tougher or I just run worse then I used to and it is just the impact of luck.

Running good or running bad plays a much bigger role then it used to be for me.
How I run effects my sessions so hard that it became a major part of it.
It makes 40BB/100 differences in the results and occurs every few days.
The fluctuation is extreme.

Smaller edges have higher variance by definition. Very small edges have very high variance. All else being equal, breakeven fields (equal skill levels) have the highest variance of all.

If you used to have an edge but now you don't, your variance is supposed to go up.

It may be that your 2010 style no longer works against how "fish" play today.

2017 style doesnt work either, I am still watching content, the basic concept of playing the micros doesnt work anymore.

To put it in better perspectiv it works on Monday, Tuesday then doesnt work on Thusday works on Friday and Saturday then doesnt work on Sunday and so on.

I am not talking about people who have any concept.
On top of that the difference between me playing a regular or playing somebody how is straight up gambling is absolutely marginal.
I can play someone whos range is 20 % and someone whos range is 60 % and the difference of each of them having a best hand is less then 5 %.

I mean just having a tighter range should be enough to beat a station, but its not you have to run good too.