Dodgy as ****, how can multiple people at the same table have pairs?!!?

Also, lol at the bolded.

If you have a pair at a 9-handed table, there's a 38.4% chance that someone else has a pair, too.

If you have AJ, there's a 25.1% chance that someone has AQ, AK, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA.

Neither one of those is all that small.

Until you come up with a random selection of hands that shows a distribution statistically significantly different than this, then your random musings are just that.

Ah, so you meant Poker Stars in particular, not in general. Either way, your post belongs here.

Except that this would make them less money.

No doubts, all sites are rigged.
And of course all sites have their own nerdy little geeks on this forum to dismiss any claims of rigging, to even up the debate and to push any compelling information deep into the thousands of pages on here never to be read again.
WTF is this?
https://www.pokertube.com/poker-news...-on-jan-1-2015

COMPELLING INFORMATION

The current term is hipster, and hipsters are, for now, quite on trend - you outdated, troubled soul.

Also, can you find the Lock Poker hipsters/nerds that supported the site in this thread - they will certainly need to refund their shill payments (unless of course they were paid in Lock "money.") I wonder why no former Lock employees who lost their jobs have come here and detailed the site's rig...

All the best.

I've been playing online poker since 2004 and been playing for a decade on and off. So, in case anyone is curious how things are in the online poker, these are some of the most notable things I recall from my experience.

Started at ongame network, was very profitable after trying my best at the lower limits. Few years later one night I recall how bad beat after bad beat kept happening on the very high limits. So, I just wanted to retire poker for good and went heads up on the highest limit with $10,000 deposit.

I had K10 and after just few hands on the flop came something like 4 6 10 and only cuz I was so furious I reraised this individual who bet on the flop. I reraised, he reraised, I kept reraising and reraising. There wasn't any flush draw or anything....And we went all in, I had $8250 total...Do you know what he had??? 10A. He just decided to drop $8,500 like that too? Why would he only after 1-2 hands, unless he knew I had K10?

This is just one good example that even the most prominent networks like ongame then was criminalized and rigged. In fact, not too long ago the skin that was part of ongame I played for years one day simply just decided to be bought by cake network (now wincake) and transfer all my funds there, only to never allow me to withdraw them afterwards and still until today.

I moved to ipoker in between and things became worse in 2012+ in the online market. These shady sites that offer these big promotions, usually operating from those islands....are in fact rigging the software. To a newer player this might not be much concerning or seem convincing, but for someone with a decade of very active online poker experience I can tell the difference if the software has a system to set up the outcome or not.

So, if I could find a network today that is "SAFE" I would gladly be part of, but that is highly unlikely. Oh and avoid keeping more funds than $2,000 in any network since they can without problem hold your funds for indefinite time because there is no law effective to go after them. It only comes down to you. If you are depositing any funds, think of it as "donating".

First off let me say that I have never been one to say "this site is rigged". I have played at many poker sites and know that there is a fair amount of variance in the game and that you will get beaten by a fish going all in preflop with 72 against your AA some of the time. I just thought that people that claimed that a site was rigged were bad players that didnt understand variance or odds.

However I have found sky poker to be incredibly suspicious when it comes to this. I signed up a recently and found that it was full of huge whales and I was winning with a ridiculous winrate to begin with. However after 10,000 hands or so I am getting beaten by fish going all in with ridiculous odds.
They hit their backdoor flushdraw or gutshot straight draw way way more often that is normal. I am getting rivered by fish that show up with ridiculous hands that have a 10 - 20% chance of winning almost 50% of the time. This is happening again and again and again. Have never seen anything like it in all my years at pokerstars or full tilt or ipoker or anywhere.

I was really happy to have stumbled upon such a giant fish pool but now it's getting really frustrating. Anyone else?

you will get more bad beats there, but that isnt because the rng is rigged to make you lose. rather, the player pool is very recreational and willing to put money in with little equity. especially in the bounty hunter tournaments they run.

why would you think the site cared about who won which pot?

you are not special.

you are not unlucky

the universe doesnt care about your winrate.

sky poker isnt trying to make you lose pots.

glgl

the fish there play more hands, far more hands. Therefore they create 3-4 times more rake than a TAG, so ofc it's in their interest to keep the fish happy. Also many of them are people there that puts bets on the horse racing or football or whatever which makes them money so even more reason to keep them happy.

they play far more hands, hence you seeing more beats.

gutshot cant beat a set if it folds to a pot size turn bet.

you likely ran well initially and have ran badly since.

longterm there will be a fertile middle ground where you will print money. but that wont be variance free. also the rake is mega high there so any time you are just a slight winner in terms of chips you will lose to rake.

sky is a big brand if you really believe they would risk their reputation by altering the rgn to dish out bad beats so they can cream a few extra quid, then dont play there for sure.

gl

no i seem to run good there

but are you a fish?

It's funny to me that no one ever comes on here and complains about this as proof of rigging. It's always this that makes people think the site might be rigged, and almost always after they explain that they understand variance and odds. Please show your work.

How exactly did you come to these two conclusions? I suspect it's not via actual hard evidence, but just by your memory of what's happening?

cliffs: plays since 2004, still not a little bit wiser/better @ the pokerz...

thx for cliffs

yes i am

i cant exactly "prove" it, who has been able to prove rigging at a poker site? You arent able to import your hand history there either.

As for whether a big brand like Sky would risk their reputation....yes, what about the volkswagen emmision scandal?
When a big company is up to something bad there arent exactly many people within the company that know about it. Could just be a couple of people.

I have played about 200,000 hands at PS with a winrate of 11bb/100, and prob another 500,000 hands at other sites. Yet despite Sky being a massive fish pool I am flatlining for ages now. I have not seen anything like this at any poker site.

It's easy to come in this thread and say "yeah yeah the old poker is rigged debate and say it's variance", I would have done the same up until a few weeks ago. Therefore no offence to those commenting but I am really only interested in the opinion of someone that has actually played at Sky poker.

So getting all-in with KT is what you do, but getting all-in with AT is evidence of criminality?

Don't you think that there might be alternative explanations for this chain of events?

Feb 2016:
August: 2015
September 2014:
June 2014:
You, um...aren't very good with numbers, are you?

I've played tonnes of hands there.

The rake will be a factor v stars. Also there is no tracking software so you can't really measure your all in luck.

There are plenty of big winners there across all formats. Some pretty sick cash regs luuurve the rec action. It might be the case that they have only chosen to doomswitch a few players. You could be one of them. I doubt it though. I maintained a high win rate in the micro pool where the recs are very rec and if you look at scope there are people crushing all formats despite the site apparently rewarding losing players.

I don't know how you explain the presence of big winners on a site that rigs against them?

Run better, i guess

Ah, so the whole "I am getting rivered by fish that have a 10 - 20% chance of winning almost 50% of the time" is just pulled completely out of your ass, good to know.

Time is relative.

Lee jones did a fantastic job guiding cake to where it is today