The cheater in this scenario would be the site that did it. What happens when they decide to test a couple of players, deal them cooler hands, and watch as one of them stacks the other for 250BB. Oh, I guess you weren't cheating - sorry about that. They can't admit that they did it, because if it got out then nobody would ever trust them again - since they would be admitting that they rig the software. So instead they would just be doing what all the riggies are saying - secretly rigging the software. I don't think that is a good business decision for a company that relies on the integrity of its games to stay in business.

Whenever I need a laugh, all I have to do is check this thread. It never lets me down. Wacka, thanks for the Christmas gift of a big laugh.

If this is how you use the word "possible" then the word has no significant meaning.

Just to recap:
-there is no evidence that this has happened
-there is no motive for this to happen
-there is not even any evidence that anyone has even tried to do this, let alone been successful in implementing it


Well, I guess I won't ever play at a poker site that you have any influence over.

I still don't really see what the plan is here with respect to dealing 2 players big hands to flush out cheating.

"create a big hand situation between the two and see how it's played versus how they normally play."

What combination of how they "normally play" and how they play this particular hand where the site rigged it to give them both big hands would prove that they are cheating?

And if it did have some kind of relevance, perhaps they could save themselves the trouble of rigging the RNG and just do nothing and watch as they inevitably got into a big hand situation anyways because they are playing poker and that happens in poker like every ****ing session especially in you were grinding hands with another player colluding.

Wacka just has zero thoughts ever of thinking and or vetting his own thoughts before he speaks. He has completely no concern as to whether anything he says is truthful or even remotely logical. As annoying as it is to witness it truly is a window into a bizarre sad mindset that unfortunately far to many people in this world share.

I immediately thought of this of course. I decided to ignore it for the moment.

Yes, that is exactly the case. Every day at the tables I see some idiot whine in a chat box about it being rigged after they take a totally standard beat. Hell, I even saw someone go ape **** when he lost AI with AK vs 77 claiming it was all a rig etc. So even when they lose with the worst hand of a flip they seem to think it's a fix.

This thread is pages long with not one riggie having even vague evidence. And those that do post some random idea and then actually look find they were wrong. As for the ones that think they can see a rig based on their own memory then they are just brainless ******s with no idea what so ever and hardly worth the time to reply. But while it's still semi-fun to do we will.

I'm not going to suggest all sites have great RnG's, as I would doubt some of the small sites have very good ones at all, but I'd be surprised if they were rigged, but just not random enough. So I can't say I'd play the small sites or ones I can stat track on, but each to their own.

When I say right, then you say left ... i'm afraid that this never ends.

no one gave me attention.

(insert random site here) is rigged because i lost a hand.

Luke,

You are not using the proper approach to get the attention you want from riggies, and they actually do have a good ability to see through people who try to fake being riggies.

You need to either go with the genuinely indignant approach like a couple shills where they get offended that riggies make up stuff, or you can use a variation of my approach where I embrace the riggie culture by agreeing with what they say and suggesting the next logical course of action if their beliefs are valid. That tends to make them pretty angry, and you can expect a lot of standard riggie replies like asking how much you play, challenging you to a heads up match, calling you a paid shill (until you embrace that and taunt them about getting paid while they do not), or general comments about you having no life before they whine about another undocumented freeroll bad beat.

Certainly my way is more fun in my opinion, and I will give you a couple examples




Sounds like you have worked out how the rig works, which means you should easily be able to exploit it for huge profits. Congratulations on that discovery!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=25668


BossaNote
PokerStars
1,229
-$1.2
$5.54
-12.6%

-$1,477


Hmm, oh well, Perhaps you have not figured out how to win despite knowing how the RnG works in advance. If you cannot beat the games with that knowledge then you should quit all forms of poker.




These are words from a player that clearly has had the game pass him by (if he was ever a winner in the first place). People in your situation should follow the advice I always give and you should never play another hand of poker for the rest of your life, as simply put, you lack what it takes to succeed in this industry. The sooner you follow my advice the better!


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=40


Good man! Finally accepting what I have been telling you and your kind for a long time. You can now join me at my side and encourage other riggies to quit playing poker as well, just as you have following my sage wisdom.



Luke - I hope this type of post helped you get a better read on how to have a good time in this thread. Riggies are fun pets if you treat them properly, so good luck in the future.


All the best.

I like facts, you like fiction. It never ends.

Duly noted your offical or unoffical job is to paint a picture here of improbability, followed by up by the reinforcements in posters, however if it was successful it would be undetected. What would make me more comfortable as a player is if sites stopped taking years allowing tools that screw over the regular player in huds and table scripts, stopped taking so much effort in to increasing profits and used there resources such as yourself to fix these and not post in riggie threads. That would alleviate some of my doubts of shady happenings in general.
To think the aforementioned is not possible to someone outside of your small small circle is foolish and usually when people try and go overboard in making things look more fancy and complex like the RNG video than it really is like your new photon RNG with its paleolithic mumbo jumbo, than there is usually lacks substance somewhere. I just think as a normal person outside the circle what are they hiding!. If you expect anyone to really believe you have zero control over the RNG outcomes than you have me fooled! I expect 6 2p2 regulars and 10 posts to comment. Monteroy, please do the honours. I know you're here.

If Online Poker is rigged, then how can I gig it in my favor?

Hey, whatever twist you need to put your obsessive compulsion in context is your own mind, have at it. It's your job to paint a picture here with your own twist. You have a different style than the above posters but your jobs collectively are the same. This is the most read thread and that's why you guys flock here daily for years. To stay on topic though and to add to my above post it would be suicide to alert customers they can alter dealings in any capacity to catch cheaters, just like it was once thought alerting players site could look and capture screen shots, than they said they stopped because it made customers uncomfortable but who's kidding who, you think they actually stopped. They probably stopped policy saying what they DO not what they actually stopped. All they did is eliminate transparency for checking what sites players look at while playing. To think they can't either check what sites u visited or capture a screen shot when they could before? Methods improve not get worse.

mouse movements. U need to code

Could you please explain the "mouse movements" bit?

table scripting is a problem which some sites are making efforts to tackle. Huds is much more debatable, I generally am undecided on this one I guess it can be debated. the thing is though with programs like poker tracker and Holdem manager one can record a large amount of hands and get a truly reliable sample.

sites that ban huds do exist I played on one and was up quite a bit then I ran horribly I mean really bad I asked for my hand histories and the site staff actually refused. with no way to record my data I did not feel comfortable there.

thats not me coming out as a riggie btw its just that currently with all the tracking software you could always prove that a site was rigged if it truly was. without tracking software you cannot prove it was rigged. sure I could record information in spreadsheets hand by hand or write them down but like anyone would take that seriously.

Do I really think the site was rigged no but I couldn't verify so did not feel comfortable so cashed out what i had there and moved.

if tracking software gets banned there will be no way to prove any site is rigged. at least at the moment you have the chance to catch to us with our evil conspiracy.

watch Pokerstars RNg video They said specifically that mouse movements was one factor that influences what card is to come. Try throwing your mouse, smashing it, smack it, yell at it, rub it on your leg. See what works

What site was this?

There's no connection between my participation here and any of the issues that you raise. For example, the last couple of days I've been answering your questions while watching the cricket on Boxing Day and while on holidays over the Christmas break. I very rarely, if ever, participate here while I'm working... I typically participate in the evenings or while eating lunch etc, because this is an issue of interest to me, not because PokerStars wants me to.

I think there is a very strong consensus amongst the few people at work who know I participate in this discussion that there are far more productive things that I could do with my time.

I just rubbed it on my leg, but all I got was a lousy erection.

Than I suppose yours is rigged for pleasure

Just eliminated from yet another pokerstars tournament deep in a cash and 10% outted on the river. Pokerstars rng is a rigged joke but I suppose when you cash out your thousands instead of generating rake you tend to run worse than others there. As I know very well. Glad to see the small portion of people in the industry circle think its random. Keep hope alive guys, some poor soul might believe your rhetoric who wonders in here with an open mind

It's almost as if you need to be very fortunate and lucky to win a large tournament on PokerStars

Ya well some people are a LOT more fortunate consistently than others. Most know it also. When I keep losing to 5-26% game after game, SOMSIN FUNNY GOING ON! And I don't call losing to bad beats for pots potentially worth 1k-10k plus in equity than winning those same hands in sit and goes worth 6$ variance. I call it cashout don't generate enough rake "curse"

3 more quads tonight. Amazing how I have experienced more quads in 3 months on Pokerstars than all the other years combined. Sure a coincidence with the new owners and photons. Maybe it's my new mouse movements. Or maybe its not rigged. Also neat the bad beats I have taken since I started speaking with an employee. I guess you guys want some of the thousands and thousnads I cashed out back. Sorry, will never happen. Thanks very much. rigdicilous.