How many rigged sites have been exposed ? Three?

Zero. Superusing is not a rigged RNG. The only thing that was even close, even though it wasn't, was a faulty rng that was caught early enough that no damage was done, and by faulty I simply mean that it was not close enough to truly random there was zero possibility that someone could figure out patterns in how it dealt if they were extraordinarily good at math/statistics. The people who caught this reported it to the site and it was fixed. I believe that was planetpoker, but I might be wrong about that.

maybe this post will get deleted again by a mod as 2p2 is a big pokerstars advocate, how else to sell the books and keep open but nothing everyone doesn.t already know. The big protection platform. Anyhow, happy to report the quads frenzy is back at em everyday as quads again today. Lets see the streak I can get going this holiday season, We're at 2/3 days so far again

Can you give an example of recently deleted posts? No , you can't.

ah mocking the frustrated losing players on Christmas day, how wonderful. I usually restrain myself for Christmas and also do not play this day since it seems like the wrong time to play.

mind you with the behavior of society my attitude towards my fellow man is slowly moving towards becoming a sociopath today I hold off from taking money from worse players as it seems wrong time of year to do so.

next year I will probably grind the whole day wishing people a happy Christmas sarcastically after taunting them for ages when i take there last money.

Maybe one day I will pay Tony G for coaching on how to be obnoxious.

With all the propaganda and lies being spewed by the industry hacks that live in this thread, trying their best to keep the naive at these deal manipulated tables called online poker, its nice to come across a post from someone that keeps the truth alive. Of course this is a small example, but it helps.

You are talking about millions of people that play online,you know you are wrong about that. And the internet is full of people that think there is something wrong about online poker.Problem is the can't prove it. You really can't say that the are all bad losers or dumb.

If it doesn't go to showdown then it's not relevant,you say ?

Now that's just a part of the big scam.
You lose a large percentage of your money in that one. And there a lot of other parts,you figure out yourself ok

Daytripper, youre probably talking to the wind right now. All the people that work this thread probably have Christmas off.

I wish them all a merry Christmas

I am been paid double to work Christmas that's $10 whole a post.

bwahahahahaha lie for the industry your all idiots etc etc etc

Planet poker had a dodgy RNG. It wasn't so much that it gave certain people an unfair advantage, but rather, it couldn't generate every possible outcome, and further, it could be used to predict future cards.

We can be sure in your case, at least.

Oh really? How funny is that. For years you guys have been playing devils advocate dismissing any possible realm of possibility that any manipulation or altering of the RNG could even exist. of course this was quickly detected when the focus of responses was not how by "why" would a site do this. To which I would respond why would any credible company attempt to fraud a bank. I'm sure there is at least one person whether it be in security or whatever segmented part of your company behind one of the finger printed rooms unaware from all others that can alter a deal for a reason you deem acceptable like a security reason. And when this is possible chances are it is misused. It's human nature.

Used to predict future cards? Is that why I am always called by a ridiculously shady hand 40 bb all ins drawing to 6 or less outs and magically hitting? Nah. That's variance

By the way. What is gameutil? It always appears when we log on to stars

That's not true.

Indeed, I've posted about this issue at PlanetPoker for many years now.
In this case, the site did this because they were not very skillful at generating truly random cards. It wasn't some evil conspiracy, but merely incompetence.

They weren't trying to defraud anyone. Rather, they were trying to generate a random deal but weren't good enough at that.

Just to emphasise this point, here's a post I made about this back in 2008:

So generating a random rng takes skill? Who implements this skill, a programmer or the rng itself. Who could predict the outcome and who used it to there advantage? Insiders. I will google it

See the thing is Josem, it's good a site like Pokerstars releases a video on the rng, but it's so biased. There are two parts to a shuffle right? The server and the client?The server merely holds the HH and the client is where the cards would be distributed after the random deal to us on the server side? Your video only shows the insignificant part of the "shuffle" as it relates to us, where the hands are stored. I want to see how cards are generated, where they are. Surely one security measure would be to intercept or arrange a deal before it goes to a player on the client side right? A quick and effective way to catch a cheater? You can't for a second tell me a site is not able to do this. I don;t expect to admit as it would compromise a cheat detection but come on, lol.

Yes, in the same way that building a house, or programming an operating system, or any other advanced technology requires skill to operate.

You need to design it properly, and then review the results to ensure it offers truly random output.
No, you are wrong in your own attempt to answer your own "rhetorical" question.

If you design a RNG properly, no one can predict the outcome.

In the case of PlanetPoker, the "insiders" thought it was random, and they were wrong. They didn't know it was possible to predict the outcome.

Instead, outsiders were able to analyse the explanation of how it worked, and demonstrated that it was possible to predict the cards.


The video that you refer to describs how the decks are randomly shuffled ("generated").
I don't see why interfering with the random shuffling would be a "Security measure". That makes no sense to me.
Your question seems to be based upon an absurd and false premise. It's not possible to fiddle the shuffle, and I don't even understand why fiddling with shuffling would help to catch a cheater. That sounds entirely nutty and absurd to me.

I demand attention i try so hard but no one gives me it soon i will pretend to be a riggie just to get attention.

Dealing player A and B unfoldable hands to see if they change there playing style is absurd? That sounds about the simplest way to catch a cheater(s) to me

I lose over over 60% of my tournaments on your site to a set up mid-late to or in a small or big blind. I'd like to think that is random but I have a hard time believing.I strongly believe poker imitates life on stars. Some people are much "luckier" than others when it counts. Over and over.

I also know my frequency of bad beats has spiked significantly since we started this discussion.

Is that weird or what.... William Shatner

Each hand has a number. You telling me it's not possible to insert pre-determined outcomes intermittently with fixed hand numbers. I'd think this was capable

Yes, I think that is absurd.

I think that if PlayerA and PlayerB are cheating, you should just look at their past play to determine if they are. If there is evidence of cheating, then you take appropriate action. That seems like a pretty obvious way of combatting the risk of people breaking the rules, creating additional opportunities for people to break the rules sounds positively absurd, nutty, and pointless.
It's certainly not possible on PokerStars.

I'm just having a lil fun, good you respond though. I think it is possible that a site can do what I suggested but would be very hard to prove. I don;t think it is nutty at all. It's quick and effective if the opportunity presents itself or could be one more thing to prove a case against players suspected. Probably more viable in a cash game setting where two players are stationary. Subtly create a big hand situation between the two and see how it's played versus how they normally play. It would be very easy to do in the right situation IF the software allowed. I fail to see why that is nutty at all.

Anyhow, Merry Christmas or Happy holiday, whichever you prefer sir. All I ask is that Pokerstars doesn't completely kill poker this coming year because if a site is going to rig me I prefer pokerstars do it