i was at 500 out of 3000 pos. when this happened lol...its just an example of weird players acting

Well, then it's not really that improbable is it? Happens all the time. Sucks to bust out, but that's not evidence of rig....

whats improbable is randoms speaking random and not understanding the point , or not

Well that clears it up. Thanks for enlightening me.

i mean if i was to talk about hands i would mention at least a bad beat right..

Even if this story and related ones are true it is not proof a site is rigged. Hell I've had people shove weird hands at me in tournaments, SnG's and cash games. Went out in one today where I got 4bet shoved by 66 into my KK and got chopped to 8bb and then in next hand went out with QQ to A2. **** happens. Those were fairly standard, but I've had J2 suited and K2 suited all in pre-flop in cash games in the last few weeks that I remember off different players. No accounting for bad players and their actions.

If it was poof of anything it would be that an individual hacked the system and could see the cards. Pokerstars would gain nothing by rigging you to lose a 70-30 race in a tournament.

Oh and as commented. Say deep when you are deep, not when you are not. Hell I don't even consider the bubble deep, that's the start of a deep run.

yes not one if u guys read i already posted here my hh of many bad beats in only 20 sngs...the history repeats for 7k mtts/ mttsng , do u know how much hands that is ?? bad beats lol..... i already explained it , is the frequency of it happening weird players could or not be house players from pokerstars playing at mtts to clean some of the money .... the not corresponding to stats and the behavior of hundreds of times being way ahead and its like they know from beggining its gonna hit.... if i was to talk about hands specific i would talk about the 1st hand i played at the final table of a 60k garanted torney where i got out in first hand ahead or the hundreds of 3 to 5 sequences i have deep in torneys where i loose almost in sequence when deep hands like aa vs jj then kk vs q7s then ak vs a10 then 1010 against 66 , hope u get the point ..... i have many many runs saved like this....its like for hundreds of time theres this Dr House that shows with a weird move and plim miracle happens to prevent me from winning big ... its always the same damned story..

Well, if you wanted to show us how much of a whiny loser you are, then:

Yes, absolutely.

None of this means ANYTHING. Hell dude how many times have you got it in bad and put a bad-beat on someone else? If you don't say many, many times you are a damn liar or don't play that much poker. Were you a house player for pokerstars at the time? No. So why do you assume they all are when they do it to you?

Seriously if I took offense at every time someone hit a set with a lower PP than mine in a cash game I'd lose my mind every other day, maybe every day.

Must have hurt being so "deep" in the tournament with this hand you made up. You were only 800 places away for a min cash for a profit of 5 bucks.

More evidence that you really like to whine a lot, but nothing else. You even suck as a bad beat whiner. You lie about everything, and you will never find anyone else who cares. You have no poker skill which is why you do not win. Your mental game is useless. You likely need to shower more as well.

If and when you present some actual evidence that will be fun to see, for now all you like doing is telling undocumented whiny stories while lying about being deep in tournaments.

If it makes you feel better, I still have 2 players in the big 11 with 560 people left well over 2 hours from your departure. 540th pays under 50 bucks, so if only your "deep" run had lasted 2.5 hours more you could have made enough for groceries for a few days! Thanks for adding some dead money to the prize pool.

Quit all forms of poker.

All the best.

i would be in top 100 of a 2100 places paid how is that not deep ...i have my hh im just trying to find the best way to present it ...

There were likely 2,700-3,500 people left when you busted. You know the exact amount as you know your finishing position, which I doubt you will share. The blinds were probably 200/400 or 250/500 when you busted so even if what you are saying is true, you likely had a stack around 20,000-25,000 chips.

The blinds are currently 1,400/2,800 with an average stack around 100,000.

Not sure what to tell you, if you think you were deep in this tournament when you busted then that simply shows how completely unaware you are about these tournaments. You should consider posting this hand and your tournament position in the BBV forum, much like this guy did in a similar situation. At least there is a chance that OP was laughing at himself...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...poker-1464415/

All the best.

MP: $50.00 (VPIP: 18.03, PFR: 11.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.12, Hands: 300)
CO: $97.58 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: $112.48 (VPIP: 30.70, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 221)
SB: $64.53 (VPIP: 78.45, PFR: 1.72, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 121)
BB: $66.50 (VPIP: 32.94, PFR: 22.63, 3Bet Preflop: 2.39, Hands: 3,176)
Hero (UTG): $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J J

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($6.50, 4 players) 3 2 2
SB checks, Hero bets $3.60, CO calls $3.60, BTN calls $3.60, fold

Turn: ($17.30, 3 players) J
Hero bets $11.65, fold, BTN calls $11.65

River: ($40.60, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $33.25, BTN calls $33.25

BTN shows 2 2 (Four of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 19%, Flop 100%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Twos) (Pre 81%, Flop 0%, Turn 2%)
BTN wins $104.35

888 Poker - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $60.17 (VPIP: 39.49, PFR: 9.32, 3Bet Preflop: 4.21, Hands: 554)
MP: $41.69 (VPIP: 48.72, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 158)
CO: $33.96 (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $73.53 (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 16.86, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 277)
BB: $53.11 (VPIP: 19.92, PFR: 11.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.39, Hands: 1,492)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, CO calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) A J 4
CO checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO calls $2.50

Turn: ($10.25, 2 players) Q
CO checks, Hero bets $9.50, CO raises to $19.00, Hero raises to $30.50, CO calls $10.21

River: ($68.67, 2 players) 4

CO shows 4 4 (Four of a Kind, Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
Hero shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Fours) (Pre 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
CO wins $65.92

Hmm, how do you explain these clearly rigged hands on 888 DonkeyStars?

Yes, this should never happen, it is statistically impossible. Spread the word!

Happened to me 6 times in 60,000 hands I just looked at.. I should complain too.

[ ] Understood the point of my post.

[x] Completely understood your post
[ ] Understood mine.

I didn't ever say quads over a full house could never happen. I've had it happen to me on 888 too. But it didn't happen more often than expected when I was facing higher VIP status players.

Also...jfc are those really representative of the average table at 50nl on 888? Need to put more work into my game and get past this 30nl limit quickly if that's the case.

[x] Owned

Prove that statement, it should be easy with that type of hand. Hell aren't you a bronze star on PS? If that is the case you'd barely win a hand if your theory was true.

Also, if you are grinding 888 poker and think PS is rigged WHY are you playing here. That's like saying you always get mugged if you walk down an alley by your home, but waking down it every day anyway.

Guess what...

Ok, I'll have a guess...

Hmm, I guess that... you make **** up based on a few hands you remember, with no solid data to back up the garbage you talk. If you are a bronze star you ARE going to lose most of your hands to people with higher VIP status just because you are a bloody low rating. You're hardly going to lose the majority of hands to lower rated status players are you?

As for losing the hands against the statistical norm... Show me data, and I'll cheer your corner all across the internet. Till then it is just hot boring air.

I think you have no idea what that means. If you don't know how to calculate the standard deviation of a binomial event then you can't possibly know how often we expect it to occur. You can't even define "expect" clearly without it.

I don't need pages and pages of maths to know a rig is occuring. It's damned obvious something is up when you can never win a hand on Pokerstars but you can on other sites.

My redline is actually positive on Pokerstars, blue line negative. On 888 it's the other way round? How do you explain that? It's obvious Pokerstars keeps screwing me at showdown so I have to try and bluff more.

A single page would probably suffice.

Wow, I didn't realize this was the case. You've never won a hand on PokerStars? How many have you played? Did you fold them all?

If not, this could be seriously concerning. Could you post the hand histories?

How can you have a positive red line without winning a hand?

This makes sense.

I don't know. You tell us.

888 is rigged for donks as proven by the hand histories I posted a few posts ago.

FYP

It's obvious 888 is rigging it for you as a new player/donk to keep you playing there when they balance you out.

All the best.