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04-09-2014 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Not sure all the perks involved but upon request obviously IP's are shared I would say with certainty.
You would say with certainty because you word apparently means very little to you.

The truth is you have no idea what you are talking about.

Btw, the post you were responding to was a joke.

Last edited by 5thStreetHog; 04-09-2014 at 10:50 PM.
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04-10-2014 , 01:33 AM
Of course "they" CAN do an ip-check if necessary. "Obviously" ip's are shared if "necessary"? Lol.

How is that obvious if you are not a paranoid drooler?
How is that necessary if you are not a paranoid drooler?

I wonder how people claim to be web developers once they know the word "proxy" (noone would use a proxy to get an ip though), but are unable to analyse their hands.
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04-10-2014 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
I almost never F5 in here, surprisingly.
Figure of speech, not even subbed to TT.
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04-10-2014 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
They are not technically the same company however you can clearly see who the top sponsor of the thread is, to use as an advertising platform. Not sure all the perks involved but upon request obviously IP's are shared I would say with certainty.
Oh, look, another jackass making things up.
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04-10-2014 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
They are not technically the same company however you can clearly see who the top sponsor of the thread is, to use as an advertising platform. Not sure all the perks involved but upon request obviously IP's are shared I would say with certainty.
I've created several websites for clients and it's simple -proxy- I think denying this would be standard, they are not going to come out and say " hey we can do this if necessary". Now what you don't want is the info gained from this to be shared with third parties.
get trolled much? jesus.
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04-10-2014 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by franxic
Of course "they" CAN do an ip-check if necessary. "Obviously" ip's are shared if "necessary"? Lol.

How is that obvious if you are not a paranoid drooler?
How is that necessary if you are not a paranoid drooler?

I wonder how people claim to be web developers once they know the word "proxy" (noone would use a proxy to get an ip though), but are unable to analyse their hands.
Pokerstars can see every process running on your computer when you are connected to poker client.
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04-10-2014 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Pokerstars can see every process running on your computer when you are connected to poker client.
Not sure to what extent this is true but it is somewhat.

Computer stores have told me for years to stay off Poker sites to keep my computer clean. Have been told there are tracking programs etc they use.

I had my doubts so for 2 days only program I opened was a poker site. Cleaned with Spybot and Malware and both times came up with the same problems.

Is it reading my cards? No. Is it tracking what I do. I would guess so as thats what the cleaner program says it is. ?????
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04-10-2014 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ez2cy
I had my doubts so for 2 days only program I opened was a poker site. Cleaned with Spybot and Malware and both times came up with the same problems.
Could you please post the exact message from spybot?
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04-10-2014 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ez2cy
Not sure to what extent this is true but it is somewhat.

Computer stores have told me for years to stay off Poker sites to keep my computer clean. Have been told there are tracking programs etc they use.

I had my doubts so for 2 days only program I opened was a poker site. Cleaned with Spybot and Malware and both times came up with the same problems.

Is it reading my cards? No. Is it tracking what I do. I would guess so as thats what the cleaner program says it is. ?????

Is this enough,

Sent to another player.
originally Posted by Pokerstars Security.

8. You were observed using several unusual applications, predominantly during your heads up low stakes play. Please explain your reason for the use of each of the following:

TeamViewer
Camtasia Studio
Embarcadero RAD Studio

TeamViewer continued to be used beyond October 12th. Whose machine were you remote-controlling, and/or who was remote-controlling you?

9. Who is [My Real name]? What is the meaning of [2 friends]?

10. The following application was observed on your machine:

c:\users\[blub]\desktop\8.5 - ps\debug\win32\icq.exe

It carried several version numbers, and varied in file size. What is the purpose of this file? Did you supply a copy of this program to any other player? What is the meaning of its name, ICQ? Would you be willing to supply a copy of the executable, and a copy of the source code that we could compile ourselves, in order to verify the purpose of this application?

11. We conducted several tests to determine if a human was present at the controls while Quicktob.exe was running. These tests would have gone unnoticed by a human player, but would have confused an automated software player, rendering it unable to continue playing. These tests were failed multiple times at low stakes heads up, but passed during high stakes play. Please explain.

Thank you for your cooperation in answering these questions
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04-10-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk

c:\users\[blub]\desktop\8.5 - ps\debug\win32\icq.exe
Umm, you think this a valid path? Maybe get some more information before forging a mail from ps
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04-10-2014 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
Umm, you think this a valid path? Maybe get some more information before forging a mail from ps
Silly mule shill,Pokerstars can see every process on your machine,
here is e-mail in full sent to player suspect of bot use.

Hello XXX,

Because we have been unable to reach you by telephone despite several attempts to do so, we will conduct the interview by Email.

We believe that you may have been developing and using a prohibited application in conjunction with your play on PokerStars. To help us make a determination about this, please answer the following questions.

1. Please detail your relationship with player 'Player'. Name the player by full name if you can, and describe how you know the player in detail.

2. Please detail your relationship with player ‘Player2'. Name the player by full name if you can, and describe how you know the player in detail.

3. Before your account shutdown, we noted that you suddenly "stepped down" from your normal high stakes [My preferred game Full Ring] to play lower stakes [My preferred game Heads Up]. What was the impetus for this change in your game selection?

4. You seem to have used two different machines for your play, one machine for high stakes full ring, and a different machine for your low stakes heads up play. Why was this?

5. One of the machines in question, the one used to play the heads up games, was a Virtual Machine. Why did you find it necessary to use a virtual machine for your heads up play, but not your high stakes play?

6. The playing profile for each of the game selections was rather distinctive and consistent, yet they differed from each other. For example, your reaction time in the heads up games was very fast and very consistent, while your full ring game you played slower and with more variance in your action times. Your tables were of varying sizes and positions when you played high stakes, but were meticulously sized and positioned the same way every time for heads up. Can you explain these differences?

7. You stopped playing low stakes heads up Razz on [A nice summer day]. Why did you stop? What happened to the virtual machine you were using after that date?

8. You were observed using several unusual applications, predominantly during your heads up low stakes play. Please explain your reason for the use of each of the following:

TeamViewer
Camtasia Studio
Embarcadero RAD Studio

TeamViewer continued to be used beyond October 12th. Whose machine were you remote-controlling, and/or who was remote-controlling you?

9. Who is [My Real name]? What is the meaning of [2 friends]?

10. The following application was observed on your machine:

c:\users\[blub]\desktop\8.5 - ps\debug\win32\icq.exe

It carried several version numbers, and varied in file size. What is the purpose of this file? Did you supply a copy of this program to any other player? What is the meaning of its name, ICQ? Would you be willing to supply a copy of the executable, and a copy of the source code that we could compile ourselves, in order to verify the purpose of this application?

11. We conducted several tests to determine if a human was present at the controls while Quicktob.exe was running. These tests would have gone unnoticed by a human player, but would have confused an automated software player, rendering it unable to continue playing. These tests were failed multiple times at low stakes heads up, but passed during high stakes play. Please explain.

Thank you for your cooperation in answering these questions.
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04-10-2014 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Silly mule shill
c:\users\[blub]\desktop\8.5 - ps\debug\win32\icq.exe
Repeating your nonsense does not make it true.....silly rigtard


So, again: You think the path above is valid?

Oh, and this thread is about a rigged deal, not your paranoid visions...
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04-10-2014 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
Repeating your nonsense does not make it true.....silly rigtard


So, again: You think the path above is valid?

Oh, and this thread is about a rigged deal, not your paranoid visions...

What the **** has a valid path got to do with the E-mail as a whole,Maybe player edit or pokerstars wrong i dont gibve a **** e-mail them if you concern.
This was first post by cborders who was wrongly accuse take up with this poster if you think it nonsense to you.

Is here full of dumb sexual deviant and stupid stupid mule shill.
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04-10-2014 , 10:26 AM
it may be true but what does it matter...?
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04-10-2014 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Pokerstars can see every process on your machine,
Of course they can. Any program on your system can be programmed to see every process. The Windows API EnumProcesses does this. Example code is available on Microsoft's web site, which can be included in almost any program.

And Rig, there is nothing wrong with that path ...

Directory of C:\Users\[blub]\desktop\8.5 - ps\debug\win32

04/10/2014 10:35 AM <DIR> .
04/10/2014 10:35 AM <DIR> ..
04/10/2014 10:34 AM 0 icq.exe
1 File(s) 0 bytes
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04-10-2014 , 10:50 AM
Pokerstars tracking certain processes is no secret and it is part of their efforts to combat collusion and fraud and bots. The paranoid dude's emails are not fake, rather they show that is exactly what Stars is doing, which again is no real secret, and it shows that they put a priority on catching cheaters, to which this dude has some explaining to do. Fortunately for him riggies do not seem to care about collusion or bots as much as 2NL doomswitches... Nice of that lifedonk to post the emails to demonstrate how vigilant Stars is at catching low grade cheaters.

Pokerstars is hardly the only company that does this type of thing, and if that concerns a person they probably should not play on Pokerstars, though they will also find that the modern era will be a tough life for them in general. Pokerstars could care less about his mule porn collection, and as much as paranoid donks want to believe everyone is watching everything they do Orwellian style, nothing would be more boring than that. Certain companies watch for certain things (in this case programs used for collusion, bots etc) - welcome to the internet age.

All the best.
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04-10-2014 , 11:12 AM
The biggest sociopath posts surprise you never get e-mail and you and friends did not make a million krona from this like everything else.

Staking involves outright cheating and it so rampant online it happens on almost every final table at some levels also so it no surprise you are here bleating all the time trying to protect you imaginary millions and the onlines scams.

Not sure to what extent this is true but it is somewhat. my response was to this poster ez2cy
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04-10-2014 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
Repeating your nonsense does not make it true.....silly rigtard


So, again: You think the path above is valid?

Oh, and this thread is about a rigged deal, not your paranoid visions...
I think the above path is valid (except for the brackets that he added to hide his username).




But no one cares because everyone already knew that Stars could do this.

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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Staking involves outright cheating
Wait, what?
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04-10-2014 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
The biggest sociopath posts surprise you never get e-mail and you and friends did not make a million krona from this like everything else.

Staking involves outright cheating and it so rampant online it happens on almost every final table at some levels also so it no surprise you are here bleating all the time trying to protect you imaginary millions and the onlines scams.

Not sure to what extent this is true but it is somewhat. my response was to this poster ez2cy
You got caught cheating, which happens often to dumb cheaters. While some sites are very weak at catching people like you it seems Stars is much better at it, so in a weird way your posts have been an advertisement about the security of their games.

You bleating on about all staking = cheating is what the people selling fake goods on the streets use to rationalize their behavior. Others may cheat (though likely not as many as you think), but that does not change whether you cheated or not. You did. You got caught as the emails demonstrate, and you are whining about it now, nothing more. You are not even a real riggie, as the genuine ones do not cheat as they whine about their freeroll beats.

All the best.
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04-10-2014 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
But no one cares because everyone already knew that Stars could do this.
Because they clearly disclose it to anyone who installs their client software. And they certainly aren't unique in trying to prevent cheating by making sure you aren't running screen sharing and chat programs while playing online. I would prefer to only play on sites who have such safeguards.
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04-10-2014 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You got caught cheating, which happens often to dumb cheaters.
He was actually quoting from this post, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=776 , but, I assume, doesn't have the nous to provide a link.
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04-10-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You bleating on about all staking = cheating is what the people selling fake goods on the streets use to rationalize their behavior. Others may cheat (though likely not as many as you think),
.
If anyone wants to see the erm job that Monteroy do to make his millions read this thread.

BOO!: There's a ghost at my FT - MTT Community.

Staking is nothing more than organized online cheating on a mass scale.
lets see what this horse **** this sociopath bleats this time.
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04-10-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
If anyone wants to see the erm job that Monteroy do to make his millions read this thread.

BOO!: There's a ghost at my FT - MTT Community.

Staking is nothing more than organized online cheating on a mass scale.
lets see what this horse **** this sociopath bleats this time.
God, you can't even post a link correctly. You are a waste of life.
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04-10-2014 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Pokerstars can see every process running on your computer when you are connected to poker client.
Do you think they shouldn't?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Staking involves outright cheating and it so rampant online it happens on almost every final table at some levels
Do you think they should take action against cheating?

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POKERSTARS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

...

5.PROHIBITED USES

...

5.6 You agree that PokerStars may take steps to detect and prevent the use of prohibited EPA Programs. These steps may include, but are not limited to, examination of software programs running concurrently with the PokerStars Software on the User's computer.
Did you sign this when you created your pokerstars account?
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04-10-2014 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
From poster who has post removed and may be 1) a perverted sexual deviant or 2) 11 years of old.
I do not care you are now on my ban list you sick troll you lucky i not call police on you like all internet sick yellow coward who need end of life.
Mad?
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