I just thought one could get a feel for the difference, if any, between the two by doing this. Since all hands of that match are available on Youtube, only time would be necessary. Also, there have been players who did not like the fact that there was never any analysis done with all hole card info. I previously suggested that players in this thread could organize and play against each other so all data would be available. Could be just 2 players playing a ton against one another at HU tables. Just food for thought in case anyone wants to build on the idea.

I think I follow your thinking but we'd have to be very clear about what it is we're looking for from the beginning. In my theory, I suspect the rig is somewhat adaptive such that it rewards fish too frequently. So who do we get to play the fish and how exactly do we define fishy play?

Do you think we're on the same page?

Ok so I played more raise or fold strategy to satisfy all you non believers that it ofcorse wont get any better since it is after all R I G G E D. The fact remains that if I take a two week long break, I'll profit faster than phil ivey can on micros, every day. Then after two weeks long of playing not even phil ivey can profit on micros from my computer.

So here is how I lost money today as well:





Seems like AK is supposed to be at least 2x as frequent as AA, but the opponent always has pocket when I get it in:-->










Thanks a lot bs rigged **** site.















Everytime I flopped a set I followed advice I've gotten here so far and it went as in the hand above like 3 times. In other words, I didn't earn anything almost.. I'm thinking of just continueing playing set more passive and just fold if flush hits and the bastard keeps betting.

So I pretty much lost every single flip today except for a half stacked one. You'd think all these hands are from the whole day, but that's wrong. They're just from about 3 hours of play which is all I played today. Most of my wins were less than 5$ pots and relatively few. Not to mention that ppl outdrew me on flush crazy amount of times. So now you know that the only way to farm a bonus on a rigged site is to play tight passive.

What it does do is create a larger amount of variance thus making it harder for good players to win, they still do because they are better, the sites just steal more money off the good players because of this. BUT as is always the case with greed, that just isn;t enough now as sites like Pokerstars have rediculous rake schemes now because they need the players to pay off there fraud debt for them.

What also seems likely is the sites ability to effect the dealings after the RNG shuffle. Sites use weak philosophical arguements as to why they wouldn't do things even if they could. It's all BS. Sites like Pokerstars make players sign Non Disclosures just to discuss rhetoric to give an appearance that they want to look out for players. Really they just want to "look" like they have best interests at heart. Players are not dumb. Look at all the non riggy regulars who know what is being done to them. And we are to trust these sites? When the " world leader" has been indicted for fraud and treats customers in this manner. I know I don't. And with GOOD REASON!

What a clever rig, forcing you to play QJs. Minraises at the micros are usually a bad player raising "to see where he's at", so they're not going to call a 3bet. You've been told repeatedly reads on players matter, and you continue to ignore that advice.

What's "crazy"?

I understand what you are saying. Yeah, to test your theory, I guess you would have to get one player to play a lot worse than the other. In any case, since a bunch of tables could be played at the same time, you could get a pretty big db pretty quickly.

BTW, I am on the fence regarding the rig. I just like to see it kicked around, and I have always thought the burden was on those who think it is rigged to provide the proof. I would be happy to see it, but have not yet.

So why don't you play on 2 sites, 2 weeks at a time per site?

Well QJs or not, at least I'd say trips is better than playing AA. The site doesn't care about statistics. It is just simple coded cause and effect, programmed to rob my money, in one as little obvious way such that biased people who don't believe in the rig will NEVER catch on to it.

I've been told repeatedly to give a juicy reraise when I got the best hand and that's what I did. I'm sure if I had just called those reraises and pretended to be weak I'd get some more bets out of them.

Everytime I go all in it's beaten like wtf.. The opponent always hit his set in nearly all the all ins.. wtf..

One question , why do you still play ?

He seems like a fictional character from shill and affiliate land to me so I'm not too worried

Poker is definitely rigged, earlier today i had a set in a 3bet pot, the villain had a higher set.

in another hand i had a set but villain had a flush
i got AA aipfr 3 way vs 55 and TT and lost
i got AK aipfr vs AA and lost
i had trips with AQ in a 4b pot but villain had AK
i got KK ai otf on 789xss vs AsTs and lost
i got 2 pair ai otf vs an overpair and lost
i had AJ vs AK on A42ss in 3b pot

so yeah pokers rigged

Faen doesn't even have a differing opinion, he just committed the ultimate riggie sin: actually posting his horribly played hands.

It makes it incredibly difficult for them to argue that they're being set up to lose because they're so great when there's evidence otherwise. Actually, evidence in general seems to be like sunshine to a vampire to them. Hmm...

Thats quite an observation after 4 posts. WHat fictional shill/affiliate are you?

I find it amusing that every so often a random moron waltzes in posting moronic play and the shills/affiliates come to the rescue offering advice and pointing him away from being rigged to bad play. Good one guys. Looking back throughout 5 years of this thread that's not a pattern at all

Otatop if your going to create a character and than carry on a conversation with him/her at least do it with a different style of talking and at a different time of day

Cause I have lot of bonuses to be farmed..

Well how come everytime I quit poker for a while and come back I'm consistently winning?

If I'm playing so horrible, how come your best critisicm to my play is that I played QJ suited preflop? According to the book I have with a preflop chart it says that QJs is playable from UTG+1. The person who wrote that book has made more money on poker than you.

Pretty rich from the guy whose first 3 posts included these gems:


It's almost as if this thread is on a forum dedicated almost entirely to getting better at poker. Naaaaaaaaaah, that couldn't be it. Much more likely that "shills" create gimmick riggie accounts to "win over".

I'm not running flushes, you dimwitted troll. Because you have a weird definition of consistent? Do you have graphs showing this consistent winning followed by losing? Because the rest of the hands you posted are just generic boring hands. OMG, your AK lost a flip to JJ! That's never happened to anyone else before in history! I 100% guarantee whatever book you have doesn't say to 3bet QJs from UTG+1. There's a difference between what's playable when you open, and what's good for a 3bet. Even in the CO, like you were in the hand, it's definitely not a 3bet.

Is that book for LIMIT hold'em?

occasionally i have troubles accessing a new page. like yesterday i couldn't get to #4007. still can't. but CAN access this new page-4008. anyone else have this problemo? i wouldn't want to miss out on any brilliant commentary.

i couldn't even imagine playing LIMIT online. probably just a chase fest.

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FUN FACT:
hold'em was once called 'hold me darling'. sure, true story.

So no answers to any of his questions then? How many posts does he need to have before you can answer him? Does he need to rack up 15-20 posts/week in this thread for 2 months, like you?

I'm not here to play 20 questions with bafoons. I am here in a riggie thread to express my displeasure with rigged dealings and to observe bizarre behaviours by certain people for 5 years defending rigs. It is apparrent you and others are trapped in the online poker bubble and would do anything to defend it. You, Otatop, Monteroy, 5thstreet jump on any thread questioning RNG fairness. You do it endlessly. I get bored doing something and defending something after a few times. I figure if people are dumb enough to believe something go ahead. But you guys, you defend it FOR YEARS. Handing out the same pamphlets, holding the same posters, selling the same bibles. Only people with something to gain or something to lose do this. Just admit it and don't pretend. Your schticks are really old. Wiki said it best. He knows you guys are just an act. He admitted it. Question is. Why?