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08-05-2012 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
His whole post was intentionally made to counter the things I have said in this thread.
They're really putting in a ton of effort to steal your money, huh?
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08-05-2012 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
If the allegations I make are correct posts like his are evidence that support my position.
Classic rigtard post. "Even things which contradict what I am saying actually back up what I am saying because <insert ridiculous nonsense here>"

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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2

The reason is because of what this entire subject is about and the fact that it is obvious that someone is putting fake posters in this thread.

So some easily verifiable information to back up that story would be helpful to people so that they can determine if the guy is telling a real story or not.
So as he posted them does it mean that the thing you just said was obvious was in fact fabricated nonsense? Of course not, because you will say he is <insert ridiculous nonsense here>
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08-05-2012 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoverroundon22s
merge sn p0kerESP
pokerstars spurderer
full tilt Alm0ndJ0yyy


Wouldn't you say that something is wrong with your results now? You were playing on Full Tilt right before Black Friday hit right?
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08-05-2012 , 04:08 PM
ok it was ~7k games on Full Tilt... hadn't sharkscoped that in awhile didn't remember exactly. As for the profit #s, i got 27% rb on Full Tilt and get 35% rb on carbon + won 300 on sit n go leaderboard June.
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08-05-2012 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
Wouldn't you say that something is wrong with your results now?
Try filtering out MTTs maybe?
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08-05-2012 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoverroundon22s
ok it was ~7k games on Full Tilt... hadn't sharkscoped that in awhile didn't remember exactly. As for the profit #s, i got 27% rb on Full Tilt and get 35% rb on carbon + won 300 on sit n go leaderboard June.
So you're from the United States. Have you cashed out on that site yet? How difficult was it cashing out?
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08-05-2012 , 05:29 PM
Less questions, more updates on your single handed destruction of Merge.
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08-05-2012 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
So you're from the United States. Have you cashed out on that site yet? How difficult was it cashing out?
I cashed out 2500 a couple of months ago. It took ~4 weeks to get approved and then another week to get a check. It was drawn on **** so I felt kind of sketchy depositing it at my bank and I did get asked a few questions, nothing really direct like "where did you get this?", but they took it without too much hassle and it cleared. I plan to swap funds with someone for a bank transfer next time to avoid the awkward scene at the bank.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 08-05-2012 at 05:58 PM.
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08-05-2012 , 05:43 PM
Hey man you should edit the name of the bank out of your post....its standard rule not to post it these days so as to not draw attention to specific institutions.
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08-05-2012 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
so as to not draw attention to specific institutions.
Unless it's one that certain participants of this thread should consider checking themselves into for an extended stay.
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08-05-2012 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Unless it's one that certain participants of this thread should consider checking themselves into for an extended stay.
Lol
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08-05-2012 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
His whole post was intentionally made to counter the things I have said in this thread. They build a whole story up around someone to make him sound legitimate. If the allegations I make are correct posts like his are evidence that support my position.

It all comes down to being consistent and transparent. If I ask the guy for his screen name on that site he should give it. The reason is because of what this entire subject is about and the fact that it is obvious that someone is putting fake posters in this thread.

So some easily verifiable information to back up that story would be helpful to people so that they can determine if the guy is telling a real story or not.
Exactly right. This jimafternoon looks to be more in a long line of site promoters, shills,etc. that infest this forum. He just arrived on the scene, or is an alias. Backed up by his minions like bingo girl, J9moron,otapus,etc.

But of course Im just dreaming this up like the obvious manipulated deal!

Last edited by blatantlyrigged; 08-05-2012 at 06:44 PM.
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08-05-2012 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
So you're from the United States. Have you cashed out on that site yet? How difficult was it cashing out?
Hi again beast, love you man.

Merge shill here. One of the many things I love about you is your fascination with merge cashouts in spite of an entire thread that serves the purpose of monitoring directly that. People get paid; takes usually about 4-6 weeks. Now if you want to lose your mind try getting money off of Cake. Well, they pay too but it takes months and months (waiting on one from them currently).

Anyway, I got my last check after waiting approx 7 days, in July (I realize that is abnormally fast and not quite sure why, other than props of being a shill I suppose). And, yes, I did once get mad at merge (weird for a shill i suppose) for not waiving a $15 cashout fee. They did nothing wrong, but I was hoping a bit of complaining might payoff. As you know better than anyone, they don't ship you monies for complaining

I'm cashing out again in the next couple of days as I managed to win so much this month in SNG that I made the sharkscope leaderboard!

And seeing as I play small stakes, a belated thank you for undoubtedly contributing at some point. No, I won't post my nick, but what you can do is go to sharkscope leaderboards, play around with the filters and I know you'll see at least one "Merge" on there now. It's not like you'll be too busy playing...

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxo
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08-05-2012 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoverroundon22s
I cashed out 2500 a couple of months ago. It took ~4 weeks to get approved and then another week to get a check. It was drawn on **** so I felt kind of sketchy depositing it at my bank and I did get asked a few questions, nothing really direct like "where did you get this?", but they took it without too much hassle and it cleared. I plan to swap funds with someone for a bank transfer next time to avoid the awkward scene at the bank.
Or maybe just use an ATM machine like almost everyone else would who was worried about such a thing.

Posting a bank name does not actually matter probably. I could say that my check was from xxxx bank and it wouldn't matter if no checks actually are sent from such a bank. That type of information would help them if it were untrue. It kind of seems weird that you cashed out 2500 dollars when you are only up 1460 dollars. I was trying to estimate what your rakeback would be at 35 percent and the number is very very close to leaving no money in your account. This is especially true if 2/3rds of your games were hyper turbos as the rake on the games is lower at the higher buy ins as a percentage of the buy-ins. That cashout amount seems pretty aggressive considering how low your roi is and the variance in the types of games you are playing.

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08-05-2012 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by totaltool
Hi again beast, love you man.

Merge shill here. One of the many things I love about you is your fascination with merge cashouts in spite of an entire thread that serves the purpose of monitoring directly that. People get paid; takes usually about 4-6 weeks. Now if you want to lose your mind try getting money off of Cake. Well, they pay too but it takes months and months (waiting on one from them currently).

Anyway, I got my last check after waiting approx 7 days, in July (I realize that is abnormally fast and not quite sure why, other than props of being a shill I suppose). And, yes, I did once get mad at merge (weird for a shill i suppose) for not waiving a $15 cashout fee. They did nothing wrong, but I was hoping a bit of complaining might payoff. As you know better than anyone, they don't ship you monies for complaining

I'm cashing out again in the next couple of days as I managed to win so much this month in SNG that I made the sharkscope leaderboard!

And seeing as I play small stakes, a belated thank you for undoubtedly contributing at some point. No, I won't post my nick, but what you can do is go to sharkscope leaderboards, play around with the filters and I know you'll see at least one "Merge" on there now. It's not like you'll be too busy playing...

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxo
Got you. You screwed up on the Cake thing. You said you left RPM to go over to Cake and then came back to Merge. That would be impossible because the cashout you said you got from RPM in the other thread is from July 7th. If Cake takes months and months and you switched over to Cake because of that cashout taking so long to be approved and shipped out, you could not have had time to get paid from Cake and to have requested another cashoout from Cake if their cashouts take "months and months".
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08-05-2012 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
Got you. You screwed up on the Cake thing. You said you left RPM to go over to Cake and then came back to Merge. That would be impossible because the cashout you said you got from RPM in the other thread is from July 7th. If Cake takes months and months and you switched over to Cake because of that cashout taking so long to be approved and shipped out, you could not have had time to get paid from Cake and to have requested another cashoout from Cake if their cashouts take "months and months".
This may seem difficult for you to fathom, but i've cashed out form merge multiple multiple multiple times across a few years. So, I did leave after being annoyed about a cashout, just not that cashout.

In sum, winning players win and cashout; losers don't and cry rigged.

xoxoxoxoxxoxoxxxoxoxoxoxoxxxoxoxoxo

Last edited by totaltool; 08-05-2012 at 07:53 PM. Reason: and i also sometimes play, and win, on more than one site at a time!
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08-05-2012 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by totaltool
This may seem difficult for you to fathom, but i've cashed out form merge multiple multiple multiple times across a few years. So, I did leave after being annoyed about a cashout, just not that cashout.

In sum, winning players win and cashout; losers don't and cry rigged.

xoxoxoxoxxoxoxxxoxoxoxoxoxxxoxoxoxo
Here is your quote from the Cake cashout thread:

Two ppl on this page have reported back saying it took 7-9 months to receive a check. Is that causing you some difficulty in comprehending?

Let me tell you my story as maybe that will help. I requested cashout the middle of June 2012. I was approved the next day, confirmation that my docs were sufficient and had also been approved. It is now the end of July (hint: more than 10-15 business days) and no check, not surprisingly.

Cake support realizes that it is not a good way to attract customers by saying we slow pay everyone and the games suck.



THERE IS ONLY ONE CAKE CASHOUT BY YOU AND THERE COULD ONLY BE ONE BY YOU.

Reason: They told you the documents you sent them were "OK". So there would be no need to send them the documents if you had previously cashed out. So this is your only Cake cash-out request and you have not gotten it yet. They have not "paid me too".

Which means you have no reason to post any of the things you have posted besides being a shill for Merge and trying to take subtle digs at Cake. But not so aggressive where it is obvious you are a shill or where they would get pissed off.

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08-05-2012 , 09:47 PM
Nice job of exposing these liars, dreamers, site promoters, whatever category they fall into NE. Keep it up. Nothing but good can come from it. Notice the regulars arent here with their B.S. chiming in? If nothing else the consistent crap posted by those wastes of life might be kept to a minimum.
Whatever you do, dont fall for their propaganda. Youve used your common sense to figure out whats really going on with these scam sites, as so many others have.
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08-05-2012 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Proving again youre a lying sack of ****. Ive played at least 9 years. Ill admit thats pretty stupid on my part, but the OLP scam can suck you in. Thats one of the main reason for the rigged software thats used. Give you profit, take it back.
You must be one of the many site promoters in this forum. Its such a joke.
Can you prove that you were ever a winning player, for say, 10,000 hands or so?
I've posted my modest graphs and a few hand histories in various 2+2 forums. Anyone that's seen me around here knows I'm a real player. You've produced no evidence that I'm a shill, and absolutely none to show that you are anything but a troll.
You have a real problem with the words "variance" and "evidence", don't you, Troll?
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08-05-2012 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
THERE IS ONLY ONE CAKE CASHOUT BY YOU AND THERE COULD ONLY BE ONE BY YOU.
I don't see the significance of this. Merge != Cake.
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08-05-2012 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Can you prove that you were ever a winning player, for say, 10,000 hands or so?
I've posted my modest graphs and a few hand histories in various 2+2 forums. Anyone that's seen me around here knows I'm a real player. You've produced no evidence that I'm a shill, and absolutely none to show that you are anything but a troll.
You have a real problem with the words "variance" and "evidence", don't you, Troll?

He probably did make more than you back in the 2004-7 era due to the bonuses and dealt rakeback and other promotions available at the time. To give you an idea of one of the promotions - Will Hill paid you $10 an hour for playing 1/2 limit poker. Those tables were filled with guys who stalled every hand and as a result about 20-25 hands were played each hour.

That meant you were given about 20BB/100 and that was before rakeback which was good for another $10 or so total (so another 4 BB/100 or so).

The results you have are for a different time and game than promotions like that, so what guys like blatant did was learn they could make a few hundred or maybe a thousand a month net per month (despite losing at the tables) even without knowing/learning how to play poker. In contrast those who really knew how to work the system made easily 5-20k a month from similar activities.

No doubt he thought the games were legit at that time when earning basically 1000%+ rakeback...

Obviously that could not last forever and as the promotions faded and the rooms vanished/merged and the games got tougher guys like him simply could not compete. He was never a winning player and without the 20-30 BB/100 hand handout he became a losing player and likely lost all of his past gains as a result.

That is all he is - a failed, outdated bonus whore and nothing else, and why you guys bother paying attention to him at all confuses me, but for what it is worth he probably did in the day make more than you have to date, but then anyone could back then.

Have more fun with this new crazy riggie instead, he is kind of fun and he at least brings more theories/fantasies to the table like having the government agencies care about what he says, and he partially carries on a conversation as well.

Move up the riggie food chain!
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08-05-2012 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by northeastbeast2
Or maybe just use an ATM machine like almost everyone else would who was worried about such a thing.

Posting a bank name does not actually matter probably. I could say that my check was from xxxx bank and it wouldn't matter if no checks actually are sent from such a bank. That type of information would help them if it were untrue. It kind of seems weird that you cashed out 2500 dollars when you are only up 1460 dollars. I was trying to estimate what your rakeback would be at 35 percent and the number is very very close to leaving no money in your account. This is especially true if 2/3rds of your games were hyper turbos as the rake on the games is lower at the higher buy ins as a percentage of the buy-ins. That cashout amount seems pretty aggressive considering how low your roi is and the variance in the types of games you are playing.
Not sure if serious... Sharkscope has a nifty feature if you have a subscription, click "advanced" and type in 35 in the rakeback box. The 1460 is profit after all rake is payed so all rakeback is on top of that #. When i cashed out the 2500, i had 3200 in my account, now i have a little over 2500 in my account. I dropped down a little just after cashing out. I will likely do a transfer for bank funds after getting over 3k again, as i don't trust leaving a lot on site.

Sorry for posting bank name itt. I don't really like dropping checks into an atm and not getting a deposit receipt so thats why i did it inside.
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08-05-2012 , 10:54 PM
He has not raised the funds for a sharkscope subscription as of yet, however he does extrapolate a lot of interesting theories from his 5 general searches a day.
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08-05-2012 , 11:17 PM
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hope i did that right 1st time posting image

The other 425 or so came from sit n go leaderboard bonuses, rake race bonuses, and a little in cash games. Hope this clears up that i'm not lying about my results. If i was, i'd make them seem a lot better trust me

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08-05-2012 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
I don't see the significance of this. Merge != Cake.
Him lying is significant. Why would he go through all that trouble to lie about his cashouts?

Why would the other guy who is staking multiple people on RPM care so much about protecting a site that could be cheating him?

If I am staking a lot of players on a network like Merge I think I would be very concerned for my players that the network they are on might be cheating them. He doesn't seem concerned at all.

It is just the opposite of that. He is going out of his way to attack what I am saying when a legitimate staker would have the exact opposite reaction.

I just caught a person lying in this thread in a way that ties directly to cashouts on a site that Monteroy is supposedly staking players on. You would think he would thank me for trying to look out for him so that he could rush to get his money off asap. Instead he makes some offhand comment about my sharkscope membership.

That is not consistent with how a staker would be if there was a chance his money was at risk. The only way I can see it being consistent is if he close enough to the people involved that he has a way to get his money no matter what. If he is that close then he probably shouldn't have a lot of horses on that site because those relationships are a conflict of interest obviously.

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