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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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5,627 55.75%
Undecided
942 9.33%

12-31-2011 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged

Dont worry about it. Your ignorance is unsurpassed, and you wont notice a thing.
Kind of hard to notice something when you haven't shown anything.
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12-31-2011 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
It's been well documented and discussed elsewhere on 2+2 that around 30% of players on all networks make a profit.* Pokerstars might actually have a higher figure than that because of the "lowest rake in the industry" and the smaller skill edge between players of each stake. (A player making 6bb/100 pre-rake on Stars might end up as +1bb/100 after rake, but would lose at -3bb/100 on a site with higher rake. Nittier games tend to mean that loose fish are lower in number on Stars (they go busto quickly), so there are fewer big losers and big winners, with many more people breaking even.)

* It's not 50%, like some people think it should be, since everyone has to pay rake, thus limiting the winners to only those that profit after rake.
Ok I accept you believe 30% of players who have ever played poker online are winning players.
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What about the rest of the non riggers are you also prepared to nominate a figure around 30% after all it has been well documented all ArtySmoker need to do is produce that document.
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12-31-2011 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SCS
Kind of hard to notice something when you haven't shown anything.

Show us the your evidence SCS or is it nonexistent just like Wiki’s
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Only a fool would believe in something, without at least some supporting evidence.
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12-31-2011 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
Show us the your evidence SCS or is it nonexistent just like Wiki’s
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Only a fool would believe in something, without at least some supporting evidence.
Show the evidence that you aren't a child rapist.
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12-31-2011 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
Ok I accept you believe 30% of players who have ever played poker online are winning players.
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What about the rest of the non riggers are you also prepared to nominate a figure around 30% after all it has been well documented all ArtySmoker need to do is produce that document.
http://www.sharkscopers.com/blog/the...rs-are-winners

2009 stats at the top of the page, and scroll way down for the 2011 update (cumulative). Poker Stars had 27% net winners both times. This site only tracks tournaments and SnGs. Cash stats have been done too elsewhere and they are higher.
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12-31-2011 , 01:23 AM
Can we discontinue violent crime analogies?
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12-31-2011 , 01:26 AM
Has anyone noticed a recent (within the last week or so) spike in variance on Bovada?
I've seen, and been on the wrong end of some super brutal beats. Now, I've been playing poker long enough to understand variance and poker swings suck... but there's been so much of it lately on their client that I'm alarmed.
For instance (and these were both within an hour of playing $100nl 6max on 2 tables) I wasn't in the hands so I can't remember suits:
66 vs AK all in pre: Flop A89 Turn 5 River 7
QQ vs AK all in pre (not unusual): Flop 444 Turn brick River 4

AA getting cracked a LOT.

AA vs J8o all in pre: Flop 88Q Turn brick River brick
AA vs KK vs QQ all in pre: Flop brick brick brick Turn Q River brick

Am I paranoid, or is this just normal made worse by not seeing who's getting the $$$$?
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12-31-2011 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MR_UNOWEN
Can we discontinue violent crime analogies?
Usually the example for making that point of logic is asking if you still beat your wife. "But I never beat my wife." "Can you prove it?"

It's about proving a negative, not about violent crime.
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12-31-2011 , 01:38 AM
yeah, I know. seems like it can be down with a little more elegance, though. can't see how horrific acts on kids needs to be brought up.
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12-31-2011 , 01:41 AM
If I ask: can you prove you don't put mayonnaise on your BB&J sandwhich - do you think the riggies will get it?
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12-31-2011 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
If I ask: can you prove you don't put mayonnaise on your BB&J sandwhich - do you think the riggies will get it?
So you're saying elegance won't work, you have to hit them upside the head with a frying pan?

Oops another violent analogy.
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12-31-2011 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SCS
Show the evidence that you aren't a child rapist.
I love it, when the site promoters have no resemble response and resort to there child rapist thing it's so predictable lol lol lol
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SCS it’s now your turn to produce evidence or even to tell us why you support the poker industry.
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Remember if you don’t have any evidence, just resort to the child rapist thing lol lol lol
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12-31-2011 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
I love it, when the site promoters have no resemble response and resort to there child rapist thing it's so predictable lol lol lol
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SCS it’s now your turn to produce evidence or even to tell us why you support the poker industry.
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Remember if you don’t have any evidence, just resort to the child rapist thing lol lol lol
Says the CR

Last edited by stu+stu; 12-31-2011 at 04:31 AM. Reason: we know it, just can't prove it
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12-31-2011 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MR_UNOWEN
yeah, I know. seems like it can be down with a little more elegance, though. can't see how horrific acts on kids needs to be brought up.
The site promoters backs are against the wall, they will stoop to the lowest of the low and even lower if the need arises.
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12-31-2011 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OneFish2Fish
Has anyone noticed a recent (within the last week or so) spike in variance on Bovada?
I've seen, and been on the wrong end of some super brutal beats. Now, I've been playing poker long enough to understand variance and poker swings suck... but there's been so much of it lately on their client that I'm alarmed.
For instance (and these were both within an hour of playing $100nl 6max on 2 tables) I wasn't in the hands so I can't remember suits:
66 vs AK all in pre: Flop A89 Turn 5 River 7
QQ vs AK all in pre (not unusual): Flop 444 Turn brick River 4

AA getting cracked a LOT.

AA vs J8o all in pre: Flop 88Q Turn brick River brick
AA vs KK vs QQ all in pre: Flop brick brick brick Turn Q River brick

Am I paranoid, or is this just normal made worse by not seeing who's getting the $$$$?


My AA hand earlier this morning

AA raise to 1.00
2 callers in front
flop K 5 7
2 checks i bet 2.25
1 caller
turn 6
guy shoves for 5 dollars left,
i call
he shows J8
i fistpump
river 9.
ehh i'm used to it.

Just variance though. Why would they want to doom switch my small stakes at 25nl? unless the room was full of bots and employees working against me since these stupid anon tables.
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12-31-2011 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Usually the example for making that point of logic is asking if you still beat your wife. "But I never beat my wife." "Can you prove it?"

It's about proving a negative, not about violent crime.
You have made a very good point NewOldGuy.
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If I beat my, wife and live on the island of clubs. How could you possible prove I beat my wife? You can’t.
The only way is if I accidentally sent you evidence I beat my wife.
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On the other hand I can absolutely prove I don’t beat my wife. Remember I have billions of dollars even a tiny portion of this could be used to higher camera crews to follow her everywhere bodied guards to protect her. I wouldn’t be allowed within 10 meters of my wife without handcuffs and legions. Even wear a pillow on my head so I cant head but her.
See how stupid you argument is. All you need is the will to prove poker is not rigged. The poker industry has the means, but not the will.
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12-31-2011 , 05:13 AM
Wow (not World of Warcraft)
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12-31-2011 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by stu+stu
Says the CR
Your turn for evidence, or to even tell us why you support the poker industry stu+stu
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12-31-2011 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
If I ask: can you prove you don't put mayonnaise on your BB&J sandwhich - do you think the riggies will get it?
If you had billions of dollars at your disposal and the will to use it
Absolutely without a doughty you can prove you don’t put mayonnaise on your sandwich. You got the money all you need is the will.
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12-31-2011 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OneFish2Fish
Has anyone noticed a recent (within the last week or so) spike in variance on Bovada?
I've seen, and been on the wrong end of some super brutal beats. Now, I've been playing poker long enough to understand variance and poker swings suck... but there's been so much of it lately on their client that I'm alarmed.
For instance (and these were both within an hour of playing $100nl 6max on 2 tables) I wasn't in the hands so I can't remember suits:
66 vs AK all in pre: Flop A89 Turn 5 River 7
QQ vs AK all in pre (not unusual): Flop 444 Turn brick River 4

AA getting cracked a LOT.

AA vs J8o all in pre: Flop 88Q Turn brick River brick
AA vs KK vs QQ all in pre: Flop brick brick brick Turn Q River brick

Am I paranoid, or is this just normal made worse by not seeing who's getting the $$$$?
Think you're just paranoid. The new software has rewarded conservative play, and I've had worse AA streaks on FTP and Stars, yet everything was AOK on those sites. Worst setbomb fail on FTP/Stars was going 0/36 on pocket pairs hitting flops. If you want mysterious bad beats, try playing on Bookmaker. AK v. AA happens every 20 hands, lol.
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12-31-2011 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
The site promoters backs are against the wall, they will stoop to the lowest of the low and even lower if the need arises.
What colour is the sky on your planet?
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12-31-2011 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
You have made a very good point NewOldGuy.
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If I beat my, wife and live on the island of clubs. How could you possible prove I beat my wife? You can’t.
The only way is if I accidentally sent you evidence I beat my wife.
.
On the other hand I can absolutely prove I don’t beat my wife. Remember I have billions of dollars even a tiny portion of this could be used to higher camera crews to follow her everywhere bodied guards to protect her. I wouldn’t be allowed within 10 meters of my wife without handcuffs and legions. Even wear a pillow on my head so I cant head but her.
See how stupid you argument is. All you need is the will to prove poker is not rigged. The poker industry has the means, but not the will.
What I see is you trying to make some kind of analogy to make a point but inadvertantly agreeing with his argument and being too dim witted to notice
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12-31-2011 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
I love it, when the site promoters have no resemble response and resort to there child rapist thing it's so predictable lol lol lol
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SCS it’s now your turn to produce evidence or even to tell us why you support the poker industry.
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Remember if you don’t have any evidence, just resort to the child rapist thing lol lol lol
How is it my turn to provide evidence? You still haven't taken yours.
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12-31-2011 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
You have made a very good point NewOldGuy.
.
If I beat my, wife and live on the island of clubs. How could you possible prove I beat my wife? You can’t.
The only way is if I accidentally sent you evidence I beat my wife.
.
On the other hand I can absolutely prove I don’t beat my wife. Remember I have billions of dollars even a tiny portion of this could be used to higher camera crews to follow her everywhere bodied guards to protect her. I wouldn’t be allowed within 10 meters of my wife without handcuffs and legions. Even wear a pillow on my head so I cant head but her.
See how stupid you argument is. All you need is the will to prove poker is not rigged. The poker industry has the means, but not the will.
Finally, I am convinced. Having read this argument, it is nigh on impossible to believe that online poker is rigged.
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12-31-2011 , 06:35 AM
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Has anyone noticed a recent (within the last week or so) spike in variance on Bovada?
I've seen, and been on the wrong end of some super brutal beats. Now, I've been playing poker long enough to understand variance and poker swings suck... but there's been so much of it lately on their client that I'm alarmed.
For instance (and these were both within an hour of playing $100nl 6max on 2 tables) I wasn't in the hands so I can't remember suits:
66 vs AK all in pre: Flop A89 Turn 5 River 7
QQ vs AK all in pre (not unusual): Flop 444 Turn brick River 4

AA getting cracked a LOT.

AA vs J8o all in pre: Flop 88Q Turn brick River brick
AA vs KK vs QQ all in pre: Flop brick brick brick Turn Q River brick

Am I paranoid, or is this just normal made worse by not seeing who's getting the $$$$?
Many players seem to feel this way. Many also are winning a ton. I personally have been seeing "funny" cards non stop since the switch. Enough so that I can honestly say I am done playing at bovada. I have played for 3-4 years 50 hours a week and never seen anything close to what I have witnessed here. Low stakes or not they still want you to deposit again. Some of these "players" could easily be part of the software. Plus, if they can severly limit cashouts to US players, they may be able to avoid trouble. Too many warning signs for me. GL to the rest of you though.
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