Cite source.

So you just wanted to show someone the sites in an innocent way? I took it another way.

Nah, it was May of 2009.

http://www.tourneyblog.com/category/...-200905070010/

Yah, pretty much. In fact, I'll buy a beer in the Isle of Man for anyone who's posted in this thread.

I think that away from the bravado of arguments on the internet, people are generally nicer than you'd expect.

Ah thanks, well never mind.

It's sort of awkward for you to make that baseless claim when there were rigtards who were caught out creating multiple accounts and voted multiple times in the poll.

It is rather enlightening that the rigtards tried to rig the poll on the issue, it is also revealing of their own personal lack of integrity.

Pot calling kettle black....

Thats the online poker way. Cute Puppy. Everyone loves to be around money. Hell maybe even I would be able to turn the other cheek to swindling, corruption and fraud if I was given gifts and jewellary. Bribary, favourtism. Let me in to the online poker world. Let me in Isle of Man!

There you go again with your *cult* like defenses. I really am concerend about your mental being Arty. I don't want you offing yourself when its revealed online poker is corrupt. I also have news for you. I love poker as much as you. I have made tens of thousands just this year playing * part time*. It's cute that you defend something you believe in but maybe its time to open your eyes to other possiblilities? Tell me. Why does poker get bad press as it is? Maybe because the companies you * love* have comitted federal offences? Maybe because they can't give a straight forward honest answer about basically anything? I do give you credit. You have clearly demonstrated its far harder to * prove* something than to disprove it. Especially when the resources to disprove are tens of billion and the resources to prove are virtually nada. We just have to take words for it. Believe me I LOVE poker. My experiences though and many others I know would strongly suggest something real fishy is going on. I can't prove it's going to rain next month but the chances are pretty good since it rained last month right? Do I need proof it will before I buy you an umbrella?

Sorry but you need decent grammar to work in the industry and kiddos are not allowed.

Hey Arty. If you go to Isle of Man maybe Josem will buy you a pack of smokes? LOL..

So I guess only riggies would do this to manipulate pointless numbers. No shill or site promoter would do this right? Only riggies. I had not even thought of this tactic though, looks like its been on your mind though. Of course only on your mind and not tried tested and true

no thanks. I would never get hired. I don't have a criminal record

Pretty much. Riggies are the only ones who seem to care about the poll results.

A while ago the riggies of the day (which sucked far less than the current crop) went on and on about the poll results, and then a mod came in and listed someone who had created a lot of accounts to vote it was rigged, and after the shills had some laughs that topic got ignored by the riggies at the time, as riggies are inclined to do in that spot like TPTK when caught fabricating HHs recently).

Josem was around then and he is probably making reference to that time.


For what it is worth your posts do entertain me. I have no idea if you are delusional with all your strange claims of friends and success or if you are a real player who created an account to just troll the thread hard. I assume it is the latter (and good job so far), but if it is the former that is fine as well, as the thread is always more fun with a genuinely delusional poster.



Perhaps you can help add some commandments to this still unfinished list.

Commandment 1: Thou shalt ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thou shalt state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thou shalt hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thou shalt assume

Commandment 5: Thou shalt have no time to test thy theories

Commandment 6: Thou shalt support they brethren unconditionally

Commandment 7: Thou shalt believe anything is possible with software



Keep up the good trolling work.

You've really got to improve your reading comprehension. If you read my previous post, you'd find it's pretty clear that I don't "love" these companies.
Most of the rest of your post is the usual bunkum that doesn't accurately reflect either my beliefs or relate to the topic we were supposed to be debating.

There's not a lot you do well (probably including playing poker), but a couple of things you do quite well: obfuscation and diversionary tactics. Go and obfuscate on another forum. You bore me.
In simple language that even BlatantlyRigged would understand:
Stop talking crap. Stop posting lies. Stop making an idiot of yourself. It's embarrassing. GFY troll.

Stop taking the gimmicks so seriously Arty. This thread is where people can go to make up stuff and lie all day long if they like. One guy claimed to have lost with aces 20 times in a row.

Who cares if they lie? A lot of the time these guys believe themselves, but until they prove something all they have is this thread as their soap box.


That jello guy is most likely a complete fake troll, and if not he is completely delusional to the point of needing medical help. Who cares which it is, but what both possibilities share is that neither one should be taken seriously.

Says the guy who breaks even at NL2

LOL

You have experience of two poker sites (with small volume I might add).

You are not qualifed to comment on whether online poker is rigged or not, did you ever play FTP or entraction or I-Poker? how many hands have you played online lifetime- if it's below 100,000 then how can anything you say on the subject be taken seriously?

It's like the new kid down the boxing gym trying to tell the trainer about how to box, play another 250,000+ on PS and 888 then come back and say you think the games are being run legit

Once again the mighty 10NL "pro" who fakes hand histories rips on the amateur 2NL player.

We all think you're really cool, man.

Whether I break even (like I do on Stars) or crush (like I do on 888) doesn't matter. Every result in my own database is well within expected variance. Indeed, with each successive hand, my results are closer and closer to the expected values. (e.g. Aces dealt 0.44% of the time, flopped sets 11.7% of the time I see a flop with a pocket pair). Every graph I've ever seen on PTR (other than those of known colluders/chip-dumpers) is well within expected averages.
You refuse to believe in variance. You refuse to accept that you're not a great player. You refuse to accept that you can be a break-even player after a period of run good. You're practically a Dunning-Kruger case study.
Incompetent people will:
1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, in order to improve.

I don't claim to be a great player. I'm constantly trying to find my leaks and fix them. I have lots of room for improvement. Sometimes I have lucky days where I win despite playing badly. Other days, I lose money even when I play "perfectly". You, by contrast, think you lose because the game is rigged against you.
You.
You.
You.
The whole world is rigged against YOU.

Paranoid much?

Even arch-conspiracy theorist hellojello doesn't believe in boomswitches for new depositors. Which leaves... you.
You.
On your own.
Failing to improve your game.
Blaming everyone but yourself.

Pathetic.

The breakeven donk at 10 NL speaks. At least he does not fabricate hands like you do. Any comment on that?




I played on Party (and 3 of it's skins), ipoker, Pokerstars, the cryptologic network (several skins), Ongame, AP/UB (way back in the day), Paradise, Pacific, Aztec Poker, Gaming Club, Expext, Merge and probably many more that I have already forgotten by now.


My most recent database alone (past year) I have 1,552 AA hands just to give an idea, and that does not include when I was grinding more heavily on Stars.

I have played many times more than you. I have made more in some days and weeks than you have made in your lifetime in poker. I have played millions of hands more than you will ever likely play in your lifetime.

I have seen (and reported) collusion, soft playing, chip dumping, stalling, and angle shooting of all kinds.

What I have yet to see is any indication that any of the games I have played online have been dealt unfairly.

Feel free to try to pick on me if you like. You can even make up some more hands to prove your case.

What you can also do (which you never will) is go to any of the strategy forums and try to post any of your garbage there where genuine players who take the game seriously exist.

Don't you get it yet TPTK? You simply do not have what it takes, nor do you have anywhere near the chops to know what you are talking about, even if you were not encumbered by your conspiracy addiction.

Know your role, and of course

All the best.

Yeah, I'm this, I'm that, look how clever you are!

What has questioning RNG's (some of which are obviously rigged) got to do with paranoia or extreme inadequacy? You're the 'inadequete' one here, you have next to zero experience of online poker.

You've played two sites, prob 60,000 hands max, and you think you understand variance because some simulator tells you so.

Why don't you play some volume and think for yourself for a change?

And i'm not pathetic either, but your last post has proven that you are quite an *******

To a paranoid person that has an over-inflated sense of their own skills, online poker is "obviously" rigged. To a rational, thinking person, that looks for leaks in their game, there's nothing obvious going on, other than the fact that the best players make the most money. If the rigging was "obvious", I think I'd notice it, seeing as I study my database more than is perhaps healthy. Hundreds of millions of online players would also spot this "obvious" rigging - it's, like, obvious! - and stop playing.

While studying my database, I'm actively looking for patterns; patterns that would show either a bizarre amount of bad beats, or leaks in my game that I could fix. Sometimes, I'd find a player that calls on the flop with no pair and gets runner-runner trips. Is he a bad player? Often, yes. The players that sucked out often had VPIPs in the 60s and 70s. Their winrates over 100 hands were ridiculously high, but 100 hands is a lolbad sample size, as you know. Was the game rigged in their favour? I doubt it. For every fish making money with a VPIP of 50%, there are 5 that are getting crushed. Just about no one with a VPIP of 50+ has made any money over a decent sample size. My conclusion: Bad players sometimes suck out in the short term, but generally lose in the long run.
You can do this with your own database of stats.
Go to the PLAYERS tab in HEM. Click the VPIP tab. Oh look, most of the players with high VPIP are losers. Shock horror! Bad players lose the most money. Look at the biggest winners by bb/100. Shock horror! The players with solid stats win the most money!
Now compare your own stats with the big winners. Find your leaks. Improve your game. If you're not winning in the long term, it's not because of rigging, it's because other players are better than you. Stop trying to blame your inadequacies on the poker site. Take some responsibility for yourself and quit with the paranoid blame game.

You might not like my use of the word "pathetic", but you're crying like a child.
"Mummy, mummy. I went and played a game with loads of other kids and I didn't win. The game is obviously rigged against ME. Waaah!!!!"

No, it's not.

Well said. Now if youd just go and heed your own advice, then everything would be OK.

Excellent! +100000