Correct, and what do you think happens when they decide to start an on line poker site, king ******?

You asked.
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Top 3 all-time winners at 2NL:
1. Blackrain79. 3.1 million hands. http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...ch/BlackRain79
2. Farttalk45. 2.3 million hands. http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...rch/farttalk45
3. OZN2007terra. 3 million hands. http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...h/OZN2007terra

3 million hands, 2 years, graphs going upwards constantly. When does the doomswitch kick in?

Now you link me to someone who's played 2 million hands of one stake level over 2 years and hit a brick wall at some point and gone on a "doomswitch" downswing.
It's your big chance to prove your theory. You could destroy OLP by showing this evidence.

The world is waiting for you...

perhaps the kind of thing that is described in this article? and not some mysterious, impossible rig that evades all analysis yet is "obvious" to a bunch of lunatics online who cant agree on what the rig actually is.

2 years!!!! Big deal. I said it could go on for a while, Im talking about more then 2 years.
Like I said, get back to me in a few years. By then you will have been busted.

Complete fail, shill. I know how and why its rigged.

Go back to trolling the religion threads to prove how smart you are...no one is buying your bull**** here.

Where are you going to draw the line in what you will start off by assuming they are doing? Any possible way to cheat is automatically assumed? Is there any other situation where you would make the same assumption? If someone is found to be cheating in one part, you assume that every part is cheating?

Of course not. You don't trust them, you should be wary. You should be on the lookout. You should do your due dilligence. But we don't just assume that everything is wrong.


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I don't know what financial statements you are referring to. The charter of the AGC says they have the right to examine all records, software and data of their licensees on demand. I presume this power was broad enough to identify outright theft from the players, won't you agree?[/QUOTE]

Huh? outright theft is not rigging. I thought you were saying that you could figure out rigging from rake structure and profits taken in. Now I have no idea what you're saying.

So I'm safe to play for another two years and 3 million hands before I'm gonna get doomswitched?
Cool. I'd been under the the impression that poker was rigged and it was impossible to make money playing it.
I'm glad you've admitted that the rigging isn't as obvious as you made out.

You know that 3 million hands is a helluva lot, by the way, don't you? I mean, a couple of million hands more than Doyle Brunson has played in his life. Daniel Negreanu says he's only played 300,000.
I think I'm safe to say that if it takes more than 3 million hands before the rigging starts, and I only play about 2000 a week, I'm never gonna get affected by it. This is GREAT NEWS!

ok Thanks for answering ( By all means Im not picking on you....You just was the lucky 1 who answered) Next question....Ok lets say the number is 3% to catch a rigged site...Now my math maybe crazy but thats 30,000 hands per 1 million...Now Ill get to my theory & I have said it before! These hands are all pre written there is no RNG its all written & if a site was to rig.... it would easy to do so .....Just throw in a set up hand every 33 hands & it will be undetected......I know Im gonna get hated on...But think about it ......How easy this would be with a program nerd to do so

oh, this is news!

please, give us the rigging algorithm that evades statistical analysis over billions of hands.

wtf

Assumption No. 1: Those who have a criminal record for cheating (or stealing), have cheated before and will cheat again.

Assumption No. 2: Those who cheat or steal from you one way will cheat or steal from you another way.

For example, Bernard Tapie will never see a dime of money if he buys FT poker. He was convicted of fixing soccer games in the past, do I think that means he would rig FT to benefit the house? Abso****inglutely.

If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt on everything, that is your perogative. If it involves my money, they get no favorable assumption from me.


I consider financial statements of the company to be a specific item, generally reported to the public, IRS or the accountants. Deducing a rig from a financial statement would be virtually impossible.

If you mean having the money earned by the company factored into the equation, yes that is what I meant.

Now do you understand?

No, I replied to your PM saying look at all hands that weren't all in but went to showdown when you were the PFR in a regular raised pot.

How often do you get value against your opponent's TPWK or MP hand?

These hands are far more frequent at 888 and this is why you've won more there.

If I'm in position against a mega fish, he will check call down with any top pair hand, regardless of his kicker. Completely standard if you can table select.

Just open HEM and go through the filters again, this time with any hand value for you, and look at the hands that get to showdown in comparison to PS.

PS, I don't lose money with TPTK, it's a very profitable hand for me cos I've worked on being able to get away from it. You keep coming back to this I'm crying cos it's rigged argument, and it's nonsense. Just because I think it's rigged doesn't mean I don't adjust to win. Experienced players, whether they think it's rigged or not are adjusting- they are adjusting sub consciously to the patterns they see every time they play- it's called experience.

All this proves, assuming you have a decent sample size, and aren't making anything up, is that some sites are fishier than others.

I have a gallon of wine and a gallon of water.

I take a teaspoonful from the wine and add it to the water, and mix.

I then take a teaspoonful of the resultant mixture and add it back to the wine.

Of the two mixtures, is there more wine in the water than there is water in the wine? Or is the opposite true?

ya pm he wants your ip address. Another shill tactic. probably his bossess idea

Try emailing sarcastically to the site. Cash out over 2k and send a tyvm email. I can show you pattern that will change the most shilled believers head around about certain things. I also realize there is little to no point in doing so so I'll let events like Black Friday run its course because once yo taste the pudding you can't keep your dirty hands of the pie.

I can show you a player who played almost 10000 games than suddenly overnight became a sensation * cough cough Dario Mineri* cough

Why would he want his I.P address?

Didnt say anything about 3 million hands. I said give it some time, a few years, then get back to me.

No, that isn't what he meant. He was saying the game would be rigged to increase rake by 5%. He was referring to an old discussion where that was kind of a minimum threshold to make it worth doing, and whether such a thing was even possible without it being grossly obvious to hand history analysis. Or even possible at all for that matter, as nobody has ever proposed a decent theory of how rigging the deal might add just 5% to the rake.

Again you avoid to provide any evidence, so in a few years you will ask for another few years of time? Time to nut up or shut up Sir.

The best you can do with your assumptions is conclude that a heightened level of distrust is in order, which I acknowledged. You still can't logically go from that to "they have committed every crime on the books".

I'm not saying you should trust the sites. And you may be justified in saying: don't trust them on anything til they show they are legit. But that's different from starting from the assumption that they rigged the deal.

You see, that's a more reasonable assumption. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt that they have a legit operation. But that said, you still need to look at each factor individually to conclude that any specific scheme is going on.



I really don't know what you mean: how do company revenues in the slightest help you figure out if its rigged or not?

so basically, because i participate in other threads, i cannot participate in this one? why not? because it dispels the narrative that i'm some kind of shill?

f*ck you, i'll post in whichever thread i wish.

I can very logically conclude that cheaters cheat and thieves steal. Maybe you can't see any logical correlation between rigging the outcome of a sporting event and rigging a game in which you control all the data, but I can.

As for your "every crime on the books" theory...perhaps you are stretching your logical inferences, have an over active imagination or have poor reading comprehension skills.

It doesn't. But assuming a financial motive to rig, there must be financial "footprint" caused by the rig.