late stage mtt i get AA we all get it in pre and im up against AJ and AJ. they roll strait out for them? gimmie a break

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AA	88.82%	530,514	7,274
AJ	5.57%	17,056	35,192
AJ	5.60%	17,238	35,192

Brutal, just brutal.

that sites not rigged

Were you like, trying to lose in Hands 1 and 2? I think that might be some of the worst play I ever saw in my entire life. You didn't remove your screen name from hand 3 either, KLAEL88.

I've never played on pkr.com but if you think 3 hands prove anything you are probably as bad at logic and statistics as you are at Omaha.

So i am sure I'll get flamed for making the thread and all of the pro's will tell me how i played these hands wrong but here is the hand history of 3 CONSECUTIVE hands on pkr Omaha. The fourth hand is from a 1k tourney and is about the fourth hand being played.




HAND 1
Table #40983665 - The Hollies
Starting Hand #1900335471
Start time of hand: 01 Nov 2011 21:46:15
Last Hand #1900334003
Game Type: OMAHA
Limit Type: POT LIMIT
Table Type: RING
Money Type: REAL MONEY
Blinds are now $0.05 / $0.10
Button is at seat 3
Seat 1: HERO - $15.58
Seat 2: ildivo88 - $7.95
Seat 3: capany2 - $10.17
Seat 4: ralphzeil - $13.38
Seat 5: daniel211989 - $28.08
Seat 6: Vahlgren - $9.67 (away from table)
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 4
daniel211989 posts small blind ($0.05)
HERO posts big blind ($0.10)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [4 d][T s][8 h][3 d] to HERO
ildivo88 folds
capany2 calls $0.10
ralphzeil folds
daniel211989 folds
HERO checks
Pot sizes: $0.25
Dealing Flop [J s][A d][K d]HERO checks
capany2 bets $0.16
HERO calls $0.16
Pot sizes: $0.57
Dealing Turn [Q d]
HERO checks
capany2 bets $0.28
HERO calls $0.28
Pot sizes: $1.13
Dealing River [J c]
HERO bets $0.10
capany2 raises to $1.43
HERO calls $1.43
Pot sizes: $3.99
Taking Rake of $0.39 from pot 1
capany2 shows [9 d][T d][2 c][J d]
capany2 has Straight Flush, Ace high
HERO shows [4 d][T s][8 h][3 d]
HERO has Flush, Ace high
capany2 wins $3.60 with: Straight Flush, Ace high

HAND 2
Table #40983665 - The Hollies
Starting Hand #1900337239
Start time of hand: 01 Nov 2011 21:47:40
Last Hand #1900335471
Game Type: OMAHA
Limit Type: POT LIMIT
Table Type: RING
Money Type: REAL MONEY
Blinds are now $0.05 / $0.10
Button is at seat 4
Seat 1: HERO - $13.61
Seat 2: ildivo88 - $7.95
Seat 3: capany2 - $11.80
Seat 4: ralphzeil - $13.38
Seat 5: daniel211989 - $28.03
Seat 6: Vahlgren - $9.67 (away from table)
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 5
HERO posts small blind ($0.05)
ildivo88 posts big blind ($0.10)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Q d][J h][7 h][2 h] to HERO
ralphzeil claps.
capany2 calls $0.10
ralphzeil calls $0.10
daniel211989 calls $0.10
HERO calls $0.10
ildivo88 checks
Pot sizes: $0.50
Dealing Flop [T h][A h][5 c]
HERO bets $0.10
ildivo88 folds
capany2 folds
ralphzeil calls $0.10
daniel211989 calls $0.10
Pot sizes: $0.80
Dealing Turn [K c]
HERO bets $0.60
ralphzeil folds
daniel211989 calls $0.60
Pot sizes: $2
Dealing River [K s]
HERO bets $1
daniel211989 raises to $5
HERO calls $5
Pot sizes: $12
Taking Rake of $1.20 from pot 1
daniel211989 shows [5 h][9 s][K h][K d]
daniel211989 has Four of a Kind: Kings
HERO shows [Q d][J h][7 h][2 h]
HERO has Straight, Ace high
daniel211989 wins $10.80 with: Four of a Kind: Kings



HAND 3


Table #40983665 - The Hollies
Starting Hand #1900339023
Start time of hand: 01 Nov 2011 21:49:06
Last Hand #1900337239
Game Type: OMAHA
Limit Type: POT LIMIT
Table Type: RING
Money Type: REAL MONEY
Blinds are now $0.05 / $0.10
Button is at seat 5
Seat 1: HERO - $7.81
Seat 2: ildivo88 - $7.85
Seat 3: capany2 - $11.70
Seat 4: ralphzeil - $13.18
Seat 5: daniel211989 - $33.03
Seat 6: Vahlgren - $9.67 (away from table)
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 1
ildivo88 posts small blind ($0.05)
capany2 posts big blind ($0.10)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [J d][6 c][A s][A c] to KLAEL88
HERO: only on pkr
ralphzeil calls $0.10
daniel211989 folds
HERO: royal flush and quads lol
HERO raises to $0.45
ildivo88 raises to $1.55
daniel211989: lol
capany2 folds
ralphzeil folds
HERO: but the sites not rigged so is all good
HERO raises to $4.85
ildivo88 raises to $7.85 (all-in)
HERO calls $7.81 (all-in)
Returning $0.04 to ildivo88 uncalled
Pot sizes: $15.82
HERO shows [J d][6 c][A s][A c]
ildivo88 shows [K c][7 h][K h][4 h]
Dealing Flop [K s][6 h][T s]
Pot sizes: $15.82
Dealing Turn [T h]
Pot sizes: $15.82
Dealing River [8 c]
daniel211989: true mate very tru
Pot sizes: $15.82
Taking Rake of $1.58 from pot 1
ildivo88 has Full House, Kings over Tens
ildivo88 wins $14.24 with: Full House, Kings over Tens


HAND 4

Table #41016343 - Tournament #23923274 Table #55
Starting Hand #1901175778
Start time of hand: 02 Nov 2011 19:40:10
Last Hand #1901174239
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now 10 / 20
Button is at seat 6
Seat 1: Captkaos - 3,010
Seat 2: mono11186 - 3,000
Seat 3: maverick969 - 3,000
Seat 4: HEXFISH - 3,000
Seat 5: neb1unu - 3,070
Seat 6: keano80 - 2,990
Seat 7: frankie4fingz - 2,970
Seat 8: HERO - 2,980
Seat 9: Shpaolin1980 - 3,000
Seat 10: Ron119 - 2,980
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 7
HERO posts small blind (10)
Shpaolin1980 posts big blind (20)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [A h][A d] to HERO
Ron119 folds
Captkaos calls 20
mono11186 folds
maverick969 folds
HEXFISH folds
neb1unu calls 20
keano80 folds
frankie4fingz calls 20
HERO raises to 360
Shpaolin1980 folds
Captkaos folds
neb1unu calls 360
frankie4fingz folds
Pot sizes: 780
Dealing Flop [T s][Q s][5 h]
HERO bets 780
neb1unu calls 780
Pot sizes: 2,340
Dealing Turn [7 s]
HERO bets 1,840 (all-in)
neb1unu calls 1,840
Pot sizes: 6,020
neb1unu shows [9 h][J s]
HERO shows [A h][A d]
Dealing River [K s]
Pot sizes: 6,020
HERO has One Pair: Aces
neb1unu has Flush, King high
neb1unu wins 6,020 with: Flush, King high

Now try tell me that sites not rigged!

is the guy (assuming his career post is accurate) who is literally too stupid to play 5/10 cent Omaha (hint , your non nut flush draws are rarely good there), yet I suspect you will keep doing it over and over without learning.

I get asked all the time what happens when the games get filled by guys who play well. I suppose that will become a bigger concern when guys like this with 4-8 years university education learn to play poker better than a cat walking on a keyboard hitting random buttons (random play would literally be better than the way this guy played a couple of those omaha hands).


I really hope some of the spam riggies cling to this guy's claims and support them, but I suspect they will worry he is just leveling with these posts.

The site isn't rigged.

You are an idiot with a sample size of four hands.

Yeah i know the flush was bad and i accept that and congratulated the guy on his royal! What i am saying is three beats like that in a row is normal?you are kidding me right and fyi maybe you should play a few hands on pkr and watch AA KK AK get crushed 90% of the time on the river to some donk with rags. As i said i expect the die hards who could never believe that online poker is rigged to start with this but hey you know best i suppose.

Losing with a 4 high flush in Omaha isn't a beat. Neither is losing with a straight on a paired board. Your AAxx vs KKxx hand was a 66/33. The tourney "beat" was also around 66/33.

If you continue to drool your way to showdowns with non nut hands like that at the baby stakes in Omaha you will see you will be losing to better hands over and over. A lot of those beats will never happen if you actually learn to play in a way that involves even a basic level of understanding of the game.



Here is a prop bet for you. If you can show in your hand history database that AA/KK/AK lose 90% of the time on the river with a sample size of at least 25,000 hands played (what a grinder plays in a week or so) then I will pay you $1,000. Note, this will of course include all the AA and KK and AK hands (even opponent ones) as that can be easily filtered on Holdem Manager.

If the results are under 90% then you pay me $200 so you are getting 5-1 odds on something you know is true.

You have a job (where I assume/hope you are not quite this clueless) so this prop bet (especially since you KNOW what you are saying is true) should be easy for you to take.

This of course assumes you somehow own Holdem/Omaha Manager but of course most riggies are nano stake donks who are too afraid to even learn how to store a hand history on their hard drive, so I am guessing this will be the reason/excuse you cannot do the prop bet.

Given that my advice to you is fold AA/KK/AK if they lose too often.

Also, never play for more than cheeseburger money. Ever. The hands you showed are not ones of a player that will ever win at the game.

All the best.

hand selection ftw @ PLO

P.S. the first two hands are shyte lol

Ive advised other people of not wasting their time trying to reason with all the site promoters, site shills, coaches, affiliates and just plan ignorants that bombarded you with their propaganda and B.S. Do you really think its worth it now, going by their replies? Its a losing battle. You obviously have the common sense to know the deal is manipulated, use your good judgement and stay away.
Its rigged, no doubt about it!
The internet is FULL of scams. OLP is one of the biggest ones.
PKR is Merge network. Check this, real player here.

Stop linking to posts you make on other forums that just repeat what you say here.

Very sensitively put. Time of the month, private benjamin?

With the imminent demise of the scam that is OLP, the shills, affliates, etc. are getting very testy.

The affiliates and the coaches have to be hurting, since their livelihood from preying on the ignorant and naive cant be as profitable as it used to be. The more people that start realizing that OLP is just a scam, the tougher its going to get.

I see ambassador Mountebank is back from his 'weekend out'.

Self-flagellation is obviously not enough for some people in helping to relieve pent-up frustrations and self-hate.

I wonder if posting here helps?

He was here on the weekend. Called in for an emergency shilling, trying to hook a sucker on the line I think it was. Plus, someone else was here putting to much light on the obvious deal manipulation.

On another note, I remember writing many letter to FTP complaining about their rigged software and hoping they get what they deserve. Used to say, "cant wait to see you &%$#&(*^ get shut down". Thank you.
Did the same with PS, and was lucky enough to get banned. Was too stupid to stop on my own. Woke up eventually.

^^^^^^^^

Stop quoting yourself.

OK so i go out to dinner last night i come back and find my 15 year old son has 1 lost my bankroll on pkr (bankroll lol all $60) and 2 posted the above post/thread whining about it.

Safe to say the little s**t is grounded till the icecaps melt but just wanted to say sorry to p2p folk who had to read that drivel and to ask mod to please remove said thread.


Oh and i have now unticked the remember my password box both on p2p and pkr lol

No one's buying it dude.

Your not buying cos i'm not selling. It's the internet man i don't really care too much what some random strangers in a forum think. I'm posting what happened. believe/don't believe.....who gives a ****?

Hope posting all of this helped you with those pent up frustrations you have about fat kids and balls. That blatantdude buddy of yours is desperately looking for validation from you as well, perhaps if he tells you that he is fat that will peak your interest, and you may finally reply to his many attempts to get your attention.

Keep posting as it seems to help you.

All the best.

Lol +1