LOL its getting better+1

im sorry nut u made me lol as u normally do with your shill comments!

0.1% chance he understands what that is.

0.01% chance he would be able to use it properly even if he did know what it was.

I think we're ALL getting leveled by the riggies. I think they are silently working for the sites, just trying to move around action from one site to another. One month it's FoolTilts riGGed sO eFN haRD!!! Next month it's jOKerSTARtS is THE WOrsT EVArrrrr!!!!!!!!! Then during the seasonal times, they switch it up to "I have this theory about mtt's and why small stacks always suck out blah blah".

Either that or they're just ****ing ******ed and will never get it. I'm guessing maybe the latter.

Ive played well over 2 million hands on full tilt. Have made close to 200,000$. I assure you I am well versed in the math of how these things work. What Ive noticed in the past year or so is yes the games are getting tougher.. yes there are less fish in some games. However I ONLY play at tables with 2 or more fish I will play anywhere from 8-11 games depending on the selection and Im telling you that ive noticed anomalies regularly in my statistics. I have 1.4 million hands over the past year showing about 14-16k below ev playing 1/2 - 3/6 shallow/cap. We are talking about 130-170 + buy ins below ev. My friends that play this game all of which were 2+ptbb winners. All of which in the past year ran 10-20k below ev (EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY poker Acquaintances). Relative to the stakes they were playing it was usually int he range of 50-100 buy ins below ev over the course of the year.

What causes this? Of course it could be coincidence. But let me ask you this what happens when a business is effectively losing its grasp on its bottom line? What happens when deposits are heavily outweighed by withdrawals? What is a company capable of? Is everyone saying its not possible? I think its completely naive to think that they wouldnt protect their own interest. you do realize that if they dont protect their own interest they will be gone if this current global economic outlook persists right? So what do they have to lose?
Yes mathematically speaking its far easier for a fish to run good and a reg to run bad. However thats short term. Im looking at the course of 1 year.. 1.4 million hands for me and a combined 3.5 million for the friends of mine. Every single one WELLLL below ev. While ev doesnt even begin to tell you half the story its the quickest thing to point at. What people arent even going to be able to track is how often your fish are peeling flops to spike the turn and oops you got your money in bad. Do you all "anti-riggies" think its just completely impossible for it to happen? Do you really think its magic that 85% of graphs have flatlined and that fish graphs have slowed in their plummets?

WAKE THE F#$% UP PEOPLE. Just think for a second is it possible? Try placing the burden of proof on Full tilt and not on someone else to prove its rigged. And please dont think im saying OMG NO ONE CAN WIN. No what im saying is a business will protect its bottom line. And what they do to do that is beyond the scope of what we would like to think they would do (Or in this case NOT do). They dont give a **** about you. They want money. They have and will continue to allow fish to run above ev and we will naively call it variance. While saying all this. I have cut my volume down about 80%. I have broken even for about 1.6 million hands now and have made enough playing to keep me playing from time to time. So put me into whatever category you want rigged.. semi-rigged whatever. All i advise is people be open minded and realize everyone here is on the same team.. we all just want a fair environment and attacking who thinks they arent getting it is just silly recognize you are on the same damn team people. Stand together.

"bla bla"...you are a shill!

In b4 wiki or another shill has another great excuse why u run bad!

Why is that when someone yells "wake the **** up people", I think they're the ones who are sleeping.. or on something (other than the herbals)?

Yell wolf much?

just variance then im assuming?

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your comebacks are brilliant.

That must be you in the avatar.

No one has said that. This would be pretty easy to check for, wouldn't it? You'd just need to filter for hands where you were ahead on the flop and behind on the turn. Nope, I just think no one's yet come up with a reasonable method. Do you have the entire graphs of fish? Saying things like "fish are losing less now" only makes sense if you do, otherwise it's speculation that you're trying to present as a fact. Every "shill" has admitted it's possible, just unlikely. Full Tilt can't prove a negative. Aaaaaaaand you've gone full riggie on us.
Two replies to the same single word post and both are massive fails. Kudos.

Most likely. However, you're probably one of the few people who have suspicions who also actually have a data set strong enough to do an appropriate study. If you took the time to analyze certain things from your database such as the frequencies in which you get dealt each hand, the frequency that certain cards hit the flop, calculate some actual stats and standard deviation analysis on all of those things and on your all ins (in regard to that, it's my understanding that the formulas used to calculate AIEV in programs like HEM have some flaws and are not 100% accurate. Since you're in CAP games it might have to do with multiway all ins and stuff like that).

I guess all I'm saying is none of us are saying it's impossible, but there's a lot that can be done to get to the bottom of it. Neither you or I may be an expert on stats but there's plenty of people on 2+2 who are and will help you if you take the initiative to work through some of these things.

Hmmm, now thetruth5fully where have I seen someone use this term so often?

Polite request. Can the people who are employed by poker sites to post in this thread declare their status before they make comments? It's just a bit more honest that way and we can put your views in context. We can then sort the poker players from the poker employees, making the debate clearer.

I know you are all going to comply, so thanks in advance.

Employed by poker sites, or employed by poker sites to make posts in this specific thread?

I believe the only person employed by a poker site that posts in here makes it very clear who he works for and those that claim to get paid do so as a test of the readers intelligence than fact.

It's a deal if the ******s agree to wipe the drool from their mouths before they slam their faces into their keyboards.

SPOT ON !!

I fell from chair lol!

I for one am unemployed. I wouldn't mind getting paid to post itt though. I'll take on either side, too.. more bang for your buck. PM applications

I was going to explain the ignore feature, but it seems you've got it figured out.

As for the latter part, there's a lot of reasons no sensible discussion takes place, and the abuse is just one of them, probably one of the lesser ones. If you haven't yet figured out that there is pretty much no moderation in this thread, by design, I guess you never will. If you have such an issue with it, maybe you should take it up with one of the more active moderators in this forum.

But I don't think there's much point. As long as we're going to have posters coming in here with no evidence of anything, making rigged accusations and ignoring all logical discussion, how will there ever be a productive discussion? Of course, if they had evidence, they wouldn't be in this thread. So really, this thread was never designed for serious discussion.

Oh, hi there. I thought you had left, what happened?

Yea I can tell how Russ Hamilton is in jail and not playing golf at Bali Hai. LOL keep drinking the Kool aid you moron.

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