Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,503 34.88%
No
5,608 55.84%
Undecided
932 9.28%

11-13-2010 , 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
wow read his post again you ****ing idiot

pokerstars MICROSTAKES is rigged PERIOD. end of story.

how come when i watch some high stakes action u hardly ever see set vs set.....runner runner str8s etc? BECAUSE ITS NOT RIGGED AT MID OR HIGH STAKES.

i promise you pokerstars will lose everything within a few years.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 12:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewhog
I have risen in rank from a humble idiot to an incredible idiot.
.
man this real is the complaints department from hell.
.
This is a billion dollar company making a claim poker is fair and now refuses to prove that to be the case.
.
If a company clams to produce milk with only 3% fat they should be able to prove it only contains 3% fat
.
The poker industry claims poker is fair they should be able to prove it is fair.
Who should they prove it to? It would certainly be hard to make a case for complete transparency, and I'm not sure any sort of neutral third parties exist to undertake an audit, much less an audit requiring the sort of technical capacity dealt with here.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 12:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
and you idiots who keep trying to be witty and say things like "well then just shove every flush draw or chase every set, etc" IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT. it makes winning players lose more and losing players win more. get it? got it? good.
then where do the consistent winners and consistent losers come from
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 12:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
because i am a broke ass heroin addict and i have no way to get money on another site and if i cash out my money to put on another site somehow i will end up blowing my bankroll on a couple grams of heroin.
Hire sewhog as a life coach.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
and you idiots who keep trying to be witty and say things like "well then just shove every flush draw or chase every set, etc" IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT. it makes winning players lose more and losing players win more. get it? got it? good.
The fact you are a desperate, poor, losing player should work in your favor then. Playing more seems the option if heroin or sewhog life coaching are not what you choose.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
if any of you are willing to send me(or trade for Pstars) $5 on bodog or something then i will shut the **** up and start playing over there. besides they have HU cash games as low as 0.02/0.05
Why do you think the conspiracy will not follow you to other sites to get your last $5? Just use it on heroin.



Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
i promise you pokerstars will lose everything within a few years.
People have been saying this for several years and will continue saying it year after year after year. Similarly the world was supposed to end pretty much every year for the past hundred years.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 12:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
For this to happen congress has to pass a law legalizing it and that is in the works. Once they do the offshore element dies and jokerstars and full tilt go down hard since they wont give sites that ignored the law a license in the US and party gaming takes all their players and the Nevada gaming commish regulates the hardware and software so you can actually get a legit game
And a month later you'll start claiming it's rigged because the same stuff will happen.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:17 AM
sigh
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t2160 21.60 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t840 8.40 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN/SB with Q T
Hero raises to t300, BB calls t200

Flop: (t600) 9 7 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t600) Q (2 players)
BB bets t200, Hero raises to t540 all in, BB calls t340

River: (t1680) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1680
BB shows K 8 (a pair of Kings)
Hero shows Q T (a pair of Queens)
BB wins t1680



Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t980 9.80 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t2020 20.20 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN/SB with Q J
Hero raises to t300, BB raises to t980 all in, Hero calls t680

Flop: (t1960) Q 9 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t1960) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t1960) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t1960
BB shows A 8 (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows Q J (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
BB wins t1960




spend 20 minutes raping this guy and again they manage to win EVERY ALL IN but ya nothings wrong here its just variance

wake the **** up you ****ing idiots THIS SITE IS RIGGED
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:22 AM
44 games 0.032 secs 1,375 games/sec

Board: 9c 7c 6s Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 77.273% 77.27% 00.00% 34 0.00 { QcTs }
Hand 1: 22.727% 22.73% 00.00% 10 0.00 { Kh8d }






1,712,304 games 0.032 secs 53,509,500 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.412% 44.18% 00.23% 756534 3941.50 { QdJd }
Hand 1: 55.588% 55.36% 00.23% 947887 3941.50 { Ac8c }
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewhog
you are a sick sick man Wiki
.
The white team [good guys] present, what they think is evidence. The red team [communist swine] has the opportunity to challenge that evidence, which they do.
The red team claim poker is not rigged, yet produces no evidence, preferring to hide behind some bizarre idea that they are not required to produce evidence because they don’t bash there wife. To a casual observer the red team’s refusal to produce any evidence = guilty as charged poker is rigged.
.
The poker industry [the crooks] is a billion dollar industry producing a product, just like any other industry if they make a claim about that product [poker is fair] that claim should be backed up with facts.
Wait... you say someone has to prove their innocence or they are guilty and that is supposed to be the position of the non swine? I think you need to study governments a little more because you seem to have some ideas mixed up.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:27 AM
Quote:
People have been saying this for several years and will continue saying it year after year after year. Similarly the world was supposed to end pretty much every year for the past hundred years
Yea well things are different now Pro. When that bill gets signed we will see how good joker stars does you can Collin will be kneeling to Sexton and wont be getting those juiced cards.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Yea well things are different now Pro. When that bill gets signed we will see how good joker stars does you can Collin will be kneeling to Sexton and wont be getting those juiced cards.
With the republicans in charge its probably not going to happen for a while yet.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by batair
With the republicans in charge its probably not going to happen for a while yet.
This is unfortunately true. But of course if a bill does get signed Pokerstars will of course be just fine. There is no indication that they've rigged anything despite mountains of data out there.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 01:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NFuego20
This is unfortunately true. But of course if a bill does get signed Pokerstars will of course be just fine. There is no indication that they've rigged anything despite mountains of data out there.
You're most likely right. If there were any legal foreign sites blocked there would be wto agreement issues. Not that that has stopped the US gov before.

I hope they do get licensed though since they stuck it out in the storm and allowed me to play poker well party poker and others cut and ran.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewhog
The other day I had the misfortune of buying a faulty toaster, so I take it back to the store. I was directed to complaints department.
.
.
Sewhog……………………......... sir my toaster doesn’t work
.
complaints department ……..what brand is it
.
Sewhog………………….......……poker stars brand
.
complaints department………idiot
.
Sewhog………………….......……I’m sorry I’m an idiot sir. I put a peace of bread in and have a 75% of getting toast but comes out at 51%
.You got a point sewhog. This thread is the complaints department from hell.
complaints department………you have inappropriate sex you rapist dog
.
Sewhog…………….......…………no I dont. But my full tilt, party poker, Everest, cool hand toasters all do the same thing.
.
complaints department………fool you got a low IQ what is it 50 HA HA HA
.
Sewhog………………….......……I am also having a lot of trouble with my UB toaster I put bread in, out pop toast then a superuser appears from nowhere snatches the toast and runs off.
.
complaints department………I don’t want to talk about UB you maggot ridden cesspit.
.
Sewhog……………….......…….my neighbor potripper has a good toaster he puts in a slice of bread and out pops 10 slices of toast. Can I swap all my toasters for one like potripper.
.
complaints department……..no
.
Sewhog……………………........please sir
.
complaints department……..you little insignificant rodent one more word from you and I lock all your toasters.
.
Sewhog……………………........sorry sir.
.
complaints department……..LOCKED there all locked. Locked you here me, HA HA HA HA. Now, what is a brain dead imbecile like you going to do to a billion dollar industry based on the isle of man WE ARE UNTOUCHABLE . Listen to me very carefully son of a goat herder I know one thing for certain you won’t be eating toast tonight.
.
Sewhog…………………..........…I think I am going to cry.
You got a point sewhog. This thread is the complaints department from hell.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 02:56 AM
F FTP

mother effing site of all the ********* sites ever

every ***** tourney I lose with the best ***** hand, like give me a fk ing break already

I am batting mother ***** 99% in the we are going to f you department at fk ing ftp

everyone hits flushes on me but I can't hit once when i need to

***** qq holds up during ***** cash games but during tourney I get ****ed over with **** hands

I am trying so ***** hard to stop posting these kinds of posts but its really pissing me off how this ***** site keeps dishing out this bs against me

same ***** ass holes that ***** lie to us every ***** time and we are supposed to believe this bs that is all real?

F UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ftp
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 02:56 AM
We should make a new poll:
Is Online Poker Rigged?:
-Yes and I am a winner player
-Yes and I am a losing player

I bet the results will be 1%-99%

edit: nevermind, it would probably be 90/10 the other way because most losing players lie and pretend that they're winning
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 03:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikaberdort
We should make a new poll:
Is Online Poker Rigged?:
-Yes and I am a winner player
-Yes and I am a losing player

I bet the results will be 1%-99%

edit: nevermind, it would probably be 90/10 the other way because most losing players lie and pretend that they're winning
for me it is not even about winning or losing and f the money too

it is this bs of how I keep losing with the best mfk hands vs big stacks

am running almost 100 percent and I dare anyone to try to explain that

like wtf kind of a piece of crap software can make sure that i get fked over and over again just because I have less stacks than someone else?

***** joke of a joke
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 05:28 AM
lol the riggies are out in full force, is there a full moon?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 05:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artisto
How this ****** thread got so many pages?
Because a lot of people post on it. LDO.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 05:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewhog
you are a sick sick man Wiki
I don't think it's appropriate for you to make such accusations until you have offered definite proof that you did not rape that child.

Quote:
The white team [good guys] present, what they think is evidence.
Except that they are so animal stupid that have have no clue what would actually constitute evidence.

Quote:
The red team claim poker is not rigged, yet produces no evidence, preferring to hide behind some bizarre idea that they are not required to produce evidence because they don’t bash there wife.
Why do you feel you have no need to produce any evidence that you did not rape the child?

Quote:
To an idiot observer the red team’s refusal to produce any evidence = guilty as charged poker is rigged.
FYP.

Quote:
The poker industry [the crooks] is a billion dollar industry producing a product, just like any other industry if they make a claim about that product [poker is fair] that claim should be backed up with facts.
It is.

The major sites have been operating for a long time. All the records relating to each player are available to that player and in not one case has anyone shown a rigged deal.

QED.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 05:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewhog
What is the counter argument Wiki you don’t bash your wife.
Before you tackle something as relatively complex as poker, maybe you should master sentence construction.

Clue: The quoted text above is not a valid sentence.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sewhog
You words [we just gather facts] present those facts.
Until you can produce text that has some meaning you might just as well not waste your time.

Unless your objective in posting here is to demonstrate your stupidity.

Quote:
Other wise the facts you talk about don’t exist. Please no cartoon facts.
So, no facts exist unless they are posted on 2+2. Quaint!

Quote:
Likely or unlikely to be rigged, you state it is extremely unlikely to be rigged, which means you must have some good evidence verging on the extreme evidence which is very close to proof. Please provide this extreme evidence.
The major sites have been operating for a long time. All the records relating to each player are available to that player and in not one case has anyone shown a rigged deal.

QED


Quote:
The red team’s having trouble getting there story right, legally you are in a bit of bother here, on one hand you claim you should not have to produce evidence because the evidence is imposable to produce. On the other hand you have gathered extremely good evidence. Which one are you communist dogs going to run with.
If the red team are dogs, from the evidence we have of your intelligence, you are a gerbil!

There is no need to provide evidence to counter the assertion of a crime when there is no evidence that any crime has been committed.

Why is that basic principle so hard for you to understand?

Oh, wait ...

Quote:
Don’t have to produce evidence because they don’t bash there wife’s
Another non-sentence.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 06:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
ya go ahead and twist my words to say "i fold everytime 4 to a flush or straight is on the board"....seriously what more can i show you? what do you idiots need to see? how can someone just be running bad or get unlucky for 300k hands???
Stop lying, post all hands, stop cherry picking, STFU etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
so i just want someone to do some simple math with me.

lets figure out the probability of KK+ losing JUST ten times in a row...just 10(i'm way past that point already).

go ahead geniuses lets see it.
Thats not the odds of it happening at least once in a run of 300K hands though is it. Besides, it never actually happened did it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
its easy to use that response...typical 2+2 ********...oh you forget the times it wins...umm, no. i told you i dont have PT3 anymore so i have been manually separating, saving, and reviewing hands of interest which include hands which go to showdown or where i pick up big pairs, etc.

i've made some moves to get the ball rolling and i will keep you guys updated. i will get banned again shortly for talking bad about 2+2's biggest financial partner but i will make new accts. ive contacted some very interested people and have talked to the math departments of two local universities....i will atleast be the first person to analyze microstakes hands on pokerstars. i'm confident the results will shock the poker community.
I look forward to that analysis. Are the universities going to work off the hands you've manually selected like a ****** or are they going to use one of the many available tools to analyse your complete history, which you are inexplicably refusing to use

Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
how about this. i am going to post EVERY SINGLE ALL IN i have until this thread gets closed. you ****ing idiots can decide if its rigged or not and all i am hoping for is that i keep just ONE person from making the mistake i did and depositing on jokerstars. winning or not, its a ****ing waste of time.
You're going to keep playing then? Sounds like a sensible idea.


By the way, using phrarses like " I know it's rigged", "I promise" and "end of story" just highlights your lack of evidence.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktx
so i just want someone to do some simple math with me.

lets figure out the probability of KK+ losing JUST ten times in a row...just 10(i'm way past that point already).

go ahead geniuses lets see it.
OK.

If you are playing full ring you have, for one hand, a 74% chance of losing with KK.

So raising .74 to the power 10 (i.e. multiplying .74 by itself 9 times), we have 0.0492 which is a one in 20 probability.

So if you are playing a fairly leisurely 6 tables at 60 hands per hour you'd expect to see this happen around once in every eight hours of play (E&OEE).

Looking at the above it's clear why so many 'tards think perfectly normal results are incredibly rare.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 09:10 AM
^umm. I'm pretty sure you don't lose with kings 10 times in a row every 8 hours lol. I think someone would notice if that happened.
Most full time players play 8+ hours a day, are you saying they go on 10 KK losing streaks every day?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Assyrian13
for me it is not even about winning or losing and f the money too

it is this bs of how I keep losing with the best mfk hands vs big stacks

am running almost 100 percent and I dare anyone to try to explain that

like wtf kind of a piece of crap software can make sure that i get fked over and over again just because I have less stacks than someone else?

***** joke of a joke
can we see your graph then with all in Ev?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
11-13-2010 , 09:23 AM
Full Tilt Poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $23.20
UTG: $8.13
MP: $31.92
CO: $18.80
BTN: $7.32
SB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 7 8
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.35) 8 3 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $1, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.65) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.80, UTG calls $1.80

River: ($6.25) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $20.10, UTG calls $5.23 all in

Final Pot: $16.71
Hero shows 7 8
UTG shows 5 J
UTG wins $15.60



lol wut
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote

      
m