Yup, me too. Pretty standard.

This.

Pointing out that someone who says that something has happened when it evidently hasn't is not smoke and mirrors.

The person who made the false claim is lying. (Or stupid, or both).

Yeah, I'll just drink some water. That should do it.

It would be nice to have world peace.

Pointing out that we don't have it yet is not the same as holding out hope that it doesn't happen.

Are you really that stupid or are you trying to win a bet?

Just because you are very stupid, a liar, and a very bad poker player does not mean there is anything untoward going on on FT.

It just means that because you are very stupid, a liar, and a very bad poker player you perceive it that way.

It is not at all stupid to think a site would rig its deal.

It is when you understand how difficult it would be to do this invisibly and compare that with other ways that they could gouge their customers that would be much harder to prove.

Or even ways that are easy to prove, like raking the pot every 15 or 20 cents instead of every dollar.

If rigging was so easy, why wouldn't they lower the rake but bump up the Rig-O-Tron 5000 to rig 1% more hands?

Dear me, I seem to have got under the skin of this shilltard. His bosses at Fool Tilt must be giving him a hard time for being so amazingly dim.

Seemed to me to be a pretty level headed response. Why do you figure you got under his skin? I know it is your goal as a troll to do so, but at least don't take credit for succeeding when you fail.

These guys are so clever with their adjusted names for major poker sites. Such bitterness!

I lose money on these sites and need to blame somebody for my sucking at poker, so I'm going to change their names!

Fool Tilt!
Full Rake!
JokerStars!

yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

we should make up some new ones bc they're so much fun.

dear me, you seem to rather overestimate your literary skills

Same guys that don't leave the chat alone after they're already out.

"N1 JokerStars! lololololol hahahahaha! ffffffffffffffffUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!"

..as they're crying on the inside.

Nope.

It's just that you are such a super-twit that it's not worth even the pretense of being polite.

Even within the category of rigtards there seems to be a clear differentiation in displayed intelligence.

At the top we have those who claim some sort of woo-woo that enables the sites to rig the deal in a way that causes bad players to play more but is otherwise undetectable.

At the lower end, where you hang out, we have morons who think they are being clever claiming that the sites are rigged in an unsubtle manner, without a shred of evidence and, more importantly, without explaining why none of the hundreds of thousands of players using these allegedly rigged sites have analysed the data and blown the whole thing wide open.

So i started using Tournament Shark about 2-3 months ago. And since then, i've started to see that i am losing alot of hands where i am dominating vs Players with a new account, or to players with less than 100 games played.

I'm trying to go over my HH's to see what i can come up with. It has been happening quite a bit lately.

Anyone else have similar experiences?

lol, the witch hunt continues

You're going to have to come up with something a little more specific, a little more concrete than that if you expect to be taken the slightest bit seriously.

just found these two , take them a little bit more seriously?


But, I wish someone would investigate the sites themselves. Because if you play real poker then go to these sites and play. You realize that very strang situation come up. Pecular situations occur more frequently then in real poker. You expect strange " bad beats" every once in a while but not at the same frequency as happens on these sites.

Only a card player would understand what I was talking about but set over sets two ore three times a night, people hitting one outer, two outers, three outers almost at a 50% rate.

Just seems like the randomness isn't as random as its suppose to have.

You could say. well what would be the advantage to the websites to tweak with this. Well it keeps bad players form losing all there money and not putting more in. plus it would up the amount of tables played by good players as they get "knocked out" when they were ahead to get there money back that they lost even though they made a "good move" but it didn't work out so well.

and....

Of course it isn't as random......in real life, someone shuffles the cards, and when they do, the deck is is not split exactly in half and shuffled in a 1 card from column A and 1 card from column B order. Even though real life casinos typically use a different deck each game (possibly each hand---forgive me, I don't gamble often, so I don't know the technicalities), the decks are not always shuffled in the same way, and therefore seat 1 does not always get the same cards every hand or at the same hand every game.

Online, however, is a PROGRAM! There is no randomness to a program despite what any computer programmer will tell you (there are randomization programs, but they are created to mimic true randomness, but are not truly random) And remember, the program may not be just for one table. It could be a program written for the entire site, so that a royal flush, for example, is set to happen (for the sake of arguement...not real figures) 1 hand out of every million dealt, well, now that you have say 100,000 people on the site at one time (as opposed to 5 people at a table), the odds of getting a royal flush are dramitically decreased. Remember, online is not a real deck of cards, it is a program. It is the same as a slot machine. The programmer can dictate the deal, or the even the "randomization" of the deal. The programmer can write it so that certain results happen than would happen in real life. The programmer can write the program so that the house (or any beneficiary) could get the second round of dealt cards based on the first round as there is no physical deck that has a finite order. And no registration in the world (particularly politically appointed/elected officials) are going to interpret 5 million lines of source code and understand it all just to make sure that the computer program is "Fair"

Sure, let's take a look! Clearly this person is onto something, look at the wonderful charts illustrating the frequency at which "strang" and "pecular" situations happen! He continues: Hitting 1, 2, or 3 outers with a 50% success rate! And with the included hand history record and graph showing this, there's simply no way to refute it. Let's dig a little deeper down the rabbit hole now: The randomness isn't random enough, hard to argue that. I myself am a fan of 40% randomness, don't want too much or you might take an overdose. We continue on: Of course this gentleman's fine essay is referring to tournament poker, the only true form there is. And since it's common knowledge that the sites can tell instantly who good or bad players are, letting them instantly set up good players (like our brilliant essayist, here, of course) for crushing defeats, for up to tens of dollars. Anyone who's been to a casino knows that the one thing poor gamblers hate the most is reloading. That's why live poker is so difficult to win at and why casinos just barely eek out a meager profit, because when bad players lose, they just give right up.

Onto the second laureate now: I think it's fantastic that you were able to find two great mathematical minds, willing to share their expertise with us. This second one doesn't gamble much themselves, of course, because they understand randomness and variance so well. Moving on: I have no way of refuting this, it's so masterfully crafted. As we all know, every site uses a programmed shuffle, and apparently (this is knew to me, but from such a quality source it must be true) the program shuffles one gigantic deck for every table...or something. It's all too complex for me, but I'm interested in learning more, so please bring more of these gems to us to learn from.

TvSa, you old Dog, why didn't you quote this fine gentleman's post from the site you got the other two from?
Edit: I didn't look at the usernames, this was the same PhD who wrote your second essay! My word, what brilliance for one mind. Look out, Einstein!

Every time I check this thread lately most riggie posts are like the lyrics to this song. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6FUR_nhGX8

1:37 starts a particularly fitting part.

Long time since Ive been here. However, I read the same paid help calling down posters who know whats happening to them in terms of being rigged. Just try playing the lamborghini freeroll and witness the site choosing thier winners. Of course the more money you have in your account will determin your chances of getting a seat that will give you a chance to be chosen.

The Lizard People Overlords work in sinister ways.

the person who wrote this actually believes this... i just cant fathom the level of stupidity in the world

There's actually even a third paragraph to it:

I like my randomness at around 48%.

I think that's pretty safe if your anti-virus and firewall software is up to date.