So how long is it usually between these 'FTP Answers' threads?

I'd like to hear an official response from them about all of the criticism and what (or if) they plan on doing about it.

Just to reiterate, fwiw, I srsly doubt ANYBODY would be complaining about these changes if the fish/whales/recreational players ACTUALLY had rakeback, and most would be rejoicing. I don't think concept is lost on even the nittiest of nits. So surprised people are still bringing up the concept of things being 'fair' with regards to this.

No

What's your move FT? If you don't follow up soon my next move is PS, and I'm sure many others are too.

P.S.
I don't think any of us are bluffing this time....

I haven't seen a stat that would prove otherwise. Even for those who don't have RB, FT still has to pay out to affiliates for their MGR. This has been beaten to death and the numbers that people are spouting are just not realistic. Claims that 99% of fish dont have RB are absurd. This isn't 2005.

So if there was no deposits, you would not be able to win from other players, because there would be no money on the site.

Yes they profit from rake... DUH! But someone must deposit money so it can be raked.

IM+ = getting paid $1000/wk (only if you work all 5 days, mixing 4 hour and 10 hour days)
BC = getting paid $250/day (only if you work 200 hours a week)

FYAnology

FR player?

We are your customer's, you work for us right? Don't you know how to work a perfect business model? Keep your customers happy and the will return and recommend other players to the site.

Now you've changed the program, made it harder for noobs, made it harder for regs., made it harder for FRingers. The price of poker just went up at your site, and I don't think I can nor anyone I know pay that price.

Lol, those hours are not mine (I'm BC with much less hours).

they can, but adding regs to the mix will create more rake and more games running for the site

lolz - so wrong

profit = deposit - cashout - remaining balance on site

not coincidentally

profit = rake per table * number of tables

If regs leave the better fish will become the whales and the only thing that will happen is number of hands will go down and total rake will go down and profit will go down.

The only thing that creates more money for the site is more money going into pots. More tables where 50% of the hands are fold-fold-fold-pfr-fold-fold generate less rake than fewer tables that have multiway pots and are showing down.

This is basically it. People need to understand that the values aren't static. Just increasing the number of tables by itself wont necessarily increase profit for FTP if it means game quality goes down (ie smaller pots => smaller rake/table). Conversely, if you encourage bigger pots (reward players who putting their money in the middle) rake/table goes up => better quality games => more tables.

I think if everyone had RB right out the gate this would be an awesome move. Obviously the way it is its just them say hey we just figured out a way to make a millions more a month and guess what, we can say it makes the games more fair!!

I'm not sure what a "reg" is, but assume it has a lot to do with volume. I know several players who play part time because they need a real job to get insurance, won't go full time until the US laws are more clear, like their profession, etc. Some of these folks do quite well and others are purely recreational players. This latter group is worth retaining on FT because they play for enjoyment and have the resources to reload (and often do). These people will never reach BC, Iron Man, etc. In my water cooler discussions, it has come up that one thing that made waiting around for the mass multi-tablers to act and playing a greatly reduced number of hands per hour was the dealt rake. At least they got something for their patience. While all the discussion here seems to be centered on the "regs", these changes also discourage some part time players.

Before you start jumping all over me about not being a "reg", let me say my preference is to do away with all rakeback and bonuses, reduce the rake and play to win. It seems some people are more concerned about the bennies than the game.

So I guess it is just speculation at this point... but you're saying FT made a move that actually COST them a bunch of money, in the interest of fairness? You're honestly saying that?

This thread is ****ing fascinating.

And what's the talk about only fish not having RB. Plenty of people don't. Phil Galfond doesn't have RB on his OMGClayAiken account. At least he didn't a few years ago.

this is a level, right?

FR 200NL is the most popular game and level for No-Limit Holdem in the world.
just ask any card room manager of any casino of your choosing.

Doug you have to improve the store. there is hardly anything in it that appeals to me as a uk customer.

Alll your clothes and bags etc are branded with the full tilt logo, you should remove the mgr hit on these for the free advertising!

Please add amazon vouchers to the shop as pokerstars have. At least then i can buy something i actually want.

Not to mention that FR games help keep the fish around a lot long then 6max or hu. The more shorthanded the game gets the faster the fish loose their money and the less rake they pay. Obviously hu is the worst for the sites cuz the fish just get raped soooo quick by a decent opponent.

In a B&M casino, you don't really have the option of playing shorthanded, so that's pretty irrelevant.

Now do you really think that the site will really make up losing a huge amount of table-hours because there are more multi-way pots?

Look at the example below, the site would lose 90% of traffic and has to make that up by tenfolding their rake/hand. That is simply impossible.

OMG OMGClayAiken!!!

Whether or not you have that option wasnt in question. The other posters' point was that FR is losing popularity and will prolly be dead. That just isnt the case anywhere in live games or online games.