OH WTF. THIS UPDATE BROUGHT BACK THE INACTIVITY WINDOW.

I'm not even logged in yet, wtf.

Stars got a lot of crap from their FR players earlier this year when they changed the amount of vpps awarded on their tables. Given the general upheaval, they met their players half way and in the end everyone was happy.

And then there's FTP. They come in here and say that over all they're giving out more money...except to those people who are getting less than before. Wat?

Doug,

Thanks for your reply. That seals the deal for me.

I'm taking my 100K FR hands / month to stars.

In before
bye
don't let the door hit you in the ass
take the other nits with you

You can say that, but I don't actually believe you. Maybe you could prove your claim.

Doug it was really helpful the link you sent me to, and this was something he said:


I also agree with many other users that this rakeback change is essentially a money grab for FTP.

I agree that at least you don't shy away from it. 2+2 commuity likes when u come out and say it.

Darknight im right behind you. See u at stars soon

Just take out the MGR hit on black card cash bonuses only, drop the prices a bit more and itll be done with. FFS

edit: and i dont mean dropping it 5k more points

One other disappointing element of the Black Card promotion seems to be that the Black Card customer support is identical to regular customer support. They even seem to have the same templates.

as far as #1 goes, explain how your loyal cash game players that pay the most rake and keep the games running are seeing "significantly higher" rewards doug. i beg you to show the numbers on that.

when pokerstars changed their method of rewarding fpps, it punished the full ring players initially. the full ring players complained loudly, and pokerstars listened to them. i guess ftp is still in the business of saying "F YOU" to some of its core group of players.

no one should receive less than they were before when a new rewards program is implemented. do you agree or disagree doug?????

and as far as this: "always a better idea to under-promise and over-deliver"

you damn right you missed the mark. how about your ****ing lied and misled each month you came on here promoting this epic fail of a rewards program

oh ok

yea black card is total crap. It's just 2x the FTP and we have cash bonuses that are like 8% RB equiv. Iron man plus was more +EV imo

Perhaps in the BC store they should add something where you can use FTP points to purchase a competent customer support representative.

I've paid over $35k in rake so far this year and by the end of this year I'm pretty sure my rake alone has paid the salary of one customer support rep. And yet, they are never able to answer any of the questions that I email them.

I got this in my email the other day

OK, I mainly play S&G. $1 in rake used to equal 7 points, now it equals 10. But before, for every $1 I paid I cleared my bonus at 42 cents (7*.06). Now $1 only clears 40 cents (10*.04).

That's like saying it used to cost you $40 to fill you tank with gas but now it only costs you $35. BTW, we've added bricks to your gas tank so your car actually takes less gas and now you can only drive 200 miles on a tank of gas instead of 300 miles. But hey, that tanks costs you less to fill up.

got this from Hendon mob:

Big Changes at Full Tilt Poker
Existing Players Please Read

Some major changes have been made at Full Tilt Poker, with a brand new loyalty program ensuring incredible rewards for the big players amongst you, fairer distribution of rakeback, and more Full Tilt Points for all!

Full Tilt Poker Black Card

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Other Changes

Rakeback is now worked out on a Weighted Contributed basis, and Full Tilt points are easier to earn, especially for short handed and heads-up players. Find complete details or learn about all Hendon Mob promotions.

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Looks like someone at FTP wrote it for them

i rarely play on ftp and play mostly on stars... can someone explain to me why the changes are making all the high volume nits claim they are leaving ftp? wouldnt they already be making more rakeback on stars before the changes? or do most rakeback nits rely on the weekly rakeback deposit to their account to be able to keep playing?

Hey Doug,

Why don't you at least increase the max. tables played to 20 so the multi-table nits can still earn the same hourly RB rate. They just have to work a little harder to do it.

This.

+1, and make them instant.

To everyone who hates how loud the alert sound is when a waitlisted table pops up, I have lowered the volume of that file by 10 decibels. Just copy over the Bell-6 file in the Waves folder:

http://www.mediafire.com/?qvbl3hozdctadg1

If it is true that the "giveback to the players is significantly higher", that makes me feel a little less shafted. A little. ;-)

I realize full-ringers and nits have had it good for a while, but maybe you can throw them (or should I say "us") a bone, like regular full ring happy hours or some high volume grinding BC reward or something. Tbh, I kind of like the idea of a second BC tier, at say 2-3K points a day where maybe you get 2.5-3x points or something.

Doug is dodging me, so I asked black card support.

cliffs^

lol how helpful

I would ask if they would retroactively fix your account/bonuses/points/etc if you are negatively affected.

Noob question but Googling it just brings up 1000's of rakeback sites.

Do happy hour points count towards your first deposit bonus points needed?

yes.. you think they actually beat the game after rake playin 9/6/2 stats?