so far the only thing i have noticed is new colors on the "registering" "running" text

Just WOW again.

I did register for the 500$ bonus promo on 28th. I email them today to know were I'm at. I was not surprise to see a " you did not register for the promotion".

But I was SO sure that bodog would **** that up again that I made a printscreen on 28th with the "you have opted in blablabla" text.

Wating to see what kind of ******** they will come at me again.

wow. they actually fixed the lobby so you can see running tournaments

Bodog blocks poker information portals to save recreational players
http://calvinayre.com/2011/02/08/pok...ation-portals/



GG Patrik.

And after 20 updates, we have the same ****ing problem

http://calvinayre.com/2011/02/08/pok...ation-portals/ This is great news IMO.

but you missed the details from te linked press release in that article.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...115549779.html

im in favor of this. more fish in the water, you think you may be disadvantaged if you can't search a player in ptr?

Although I like using a HUD, removing it only helps good players. DUCY?

in a vacuum, i agree. But we don't play in a vacuum. It's not like all sites were banning them in which case I'd say fine.

(FWIW I play mostly MTT.)

The problem is that when playing a couple tables on bodog and 6-8 on other sites, it will take extra attention on the dog table, and less paid to the others. Which will mean I will have to play fewer tables to keep max attention on em.

Now if they all banned the huds, well while it means equal attention on all tables, we'd all have to play fewer tables by in large. And that would mean less profit, especially in MTT. (Though better players will do better of course.. with the max advantage going to those who can pay close enough attention to max tables.)

The thing I would actually miss more though is the pokerdb ban if they manage it. Since I'm playing tournies I don't table select, but knowing who is who has paid for the subscription a billion times over. (also there is free access, though some stats are missing. so its basically equal access here to anyone who knows it exists)

And with respect to tournies, the fish are going to bust as fast whether the DB is out there or not.


And besides - whether its cash or tournies, I'm still waiting to see the empirical evidence that rec players shy away because of this stuff. Most don't even know it exists. Or care.

Bodog is trying an interesting experiment with a very uncertain outcome. In the end wht they are doing is requiring that MAX attention be paid to their tables (when you include the bull*** HH replay especially)

I don't see how this helps the room unless you grind 4 bodog tables only. You won't even empirically know if traffic is up with the pokerscout block! MOst nonsensical part of this.

I think Bodog has a lot of good ideas. It's nice that they are catering to loose gamblers and aren't trying to be a Pokerstars clone, but their execution is terrible. The project is destined to fail if they don't start hiring competent programmers.

Justin, can you ask if software updates can be accompanied by a log, listing all the changes and bug fixes? You know, like all other computer programs in existence.

I've been asking them for this for YEARS. LITERALLY.

A Lot of other sites provide this, or at least a link to their website with details.

He makes it sound like the sites are going to go down if they don't implement what Bodog is doing & that soon the other sites are going to follow suit....wait. Let's see FT & PS regularly have 80K+ players & 20K plus TABLES running, Bodog has 3k Players....yeah, right, PS & FT are going to change their SUCCESSFUL philosophy & strategy & follow suit? I can't imaging someone at PS saying "man we must be doing something wrong we have more tables than Bodog has players, we need to do what Bodog does." The idea is asinine. It's been over a year since they talked about their plans & a year later their traffic is down. Heck even Carbon Poker has more players than Bodog. So they somehow think HUD's & all these other things are affecting their trouble & scaring away customers. Gimme a break. They should be focused on salvaging the players they have rather than alienating them. Even Cereus with their serious problems & bad behaviour have 4x's as many players. They should fire Selig & Odman & hire Lee Jones to turn this ship around.

Pancho, I'm not saying that I disagree with your post, but I pose the question, "Why does Bodog need to increase their poker player base?"

Sites like Stars and Tilt try to get every player they can because their business model requires it. OTH, Bodog's bread and butter is its casino and sports book. They benefit by attracting recreational gamblers. 2,000 players who may wonder over to the casino is more beneficial than 20,000 sharks paying rake.

Bodog's model can be very profitable. Real casinos make mountains of money and usually have less than 2,000 people playing poker, on top of higher overhead. Their poker rooms are meant to be a portal to draw people to the house games. It sucks for us, but not for Bodog.

The "no HUD" thing, is it effective now ?

no. that release implied they are going to do that at some time in the future.

They haven't released anything to th eplayers saying no huds so I think they are trying to figure out how to make the software impenetrable to handgrabbers.

PT was still running fine after todays update.

I there a way to see observers anymore? Sometimes I want to talk to another regular but not have 3-4 other people see it. Similarly, I want to show some hands but only to my opponent and not a bunch of observers. Justin, any idea what happened to this?

If it really got removed then I'm disappointed and greatly preferred the much faster and easy to access info on who is seated at a table and how many observers there are from the previous lobby. However, I'd still prioritize fixing critical bugs rather than reimplementing this feature. The buggy state of the Bodog software is unheard of for modern poker rooms.

Profen that is true. Bodog could be great with just 5K players, however that does not change the fact that Odman & Selig repeatedly say others will follow suit in copying their business model. Obviously this idea is flawed. Calvin seems to think they are right on the money, but cmon, Bodog has lost players in the past year & the regulars can notice it. We aren't even going to go into the whole software bug crap, that's an unprecedented given.

Justin,

Can you clarify if the bans on HUDs/Poker Tracking software and use of Poker Tracking sites is immediately effective? The terms of service state:

5.3. No Player Assistance Programs. Use by players of external player assistance programs ("EPA Programs") which are designed to provide players with an unfair advantage over their opponents are expressly prohibited. We define EPA Programs as including computer software and non-software-based databases or profiles (e.g., web sites and subscription services) and we consider access to or the ability to gather data or information on other players by any means that would not be accessable via their own first-hand experience (i.e. observation of game play) to be "unfair". We reserve the right to close Accounts and void any and all winnings in such Accounts if we establish, in our reasonable discretion, the use of an EPA Program.

This would imply that it is effective immediately.


Additionally, currently, players stats such as $VPP and PFR, etc. are readily available for free at non-subscription sites. Is it against the terms of service to access this publicly available information?

so any word on when this goes into effect? I just looked myself on sharkscope and it still works.

How did you become aware of this? I never would have known about this unless I read this thread. Is this new or has it been there forever and no one ever noticed it before?

edit: should have read some of yesterday's posts

that TOS basically said you can use PokerTracker but not PTR

lol...rec players don't shy away because others can use HUDs, like you said they probably don't even know they exist, but they won't lose their money as fast when the decent regs can't use them.

@ Halstad. I follow this forum, but I saw something on Facebook, checked here, and then looked at the Terms of Service, as I was thinking about subscribing to Poker Table Ratings.

@LT22, Agree. But are they going to ban Poker Tracker in the future? Seems like if you are only compiling your own data from your own hands,they would be hard pressed to draw a clear line on what's against the TOS. What if you use a spreadsheet and a calculator rather than Poker Tracker?

I use Poker Table Ratings' free service sometimes to review my own sessions. Is this against the TOS? I just can't see how they can enforce a ban on information that's so readily available. If they can prevent the sites from mining the information, that would be ok in my opinion.

Just some thoughts on what might be a muddle. Bought Harrington's latest book as I was thinking about using a HUD, so now that truly was an utter waste, as I only play full ring.

And I see the date of the TOS is November 2, 2010, for what its worth. So I guess this is the old version.