Just to be sure, if I first finish clearing my bonuses (they are not related with any rewards from Party in June as I have them already) and then opt in for June promo I will receive 60% deal for all rake in June?

Hey N

I think it would be fair to say that you would receive 60% on all the rake you generate once you opt in. If it were for ALL the rake in June, then you would be receiving double benefit for the bonus and the 60%

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

Yes Johnny, but my bonuses have nothing to do with rake from June. I already paid them with my rake from previous months (just need to clear them as they don't have cash rewards in the store). It seems (and that would be true) that I would receive double benefit for June this way but on the other way I didn't receive anything in months before when I was making rake to buy these bonuses.

I think it would be fair that you only deduct from flat 60% deal bonuses and other rewards which are really from June, not if someone is clearing bonuses from months before as they are actually rewards from those months (not June).

Anyway, thanks for clearing things for me. Just wanted to know what to expect from rb in June.

EDIT: Just one more question Johnny. They have Summer Sale promotion right now (50% on poker bonuses from the store). If I for example buy some bonus from the store and clear half of it in June, which amount would be deduct from flat deal? Only this released bonus amount or whole bonus?

Yep it's a tricky one really isn't it. Will need to find out what they say.

As for Summer Sale...i would guess it's the amount you clear.

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

They are jot adjusted. I only received rakeback as if the euro would be dollar.

hey Trashy

Please contact our support and let them know all the relevant information like bwin name and the numbers involved etc. Then they can look into it for you

You can reach them here



Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

Hello,

when i buy a bonus in june but pause it till july. Would it be deducted from rakeback?

kind regards
trashy

Hey T

Another good question!
Can you contact our support as they will be able to speak to Party to find out the best way forward.
Of course you could just wait to buy the bonus till July no?

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

Thanks Johnny. Please let me know what they say. Already opted in, just interesting what they have to say about this.

Maybe you can explain to them that if they deduct all bonuses from previous months from June 60% deal it will be unfair for those players because they will get same rb% at the and of the month as players who have not invested any points and don't have any kind of bonus.

For example, Player A buy 1000$ bonus for 10.000 points in May. Player B buy nothing. If player A start clearing this bonus in June, make 3k in rake and clear it, and player B also rake 3k in June, they will have same rb at the end of the month as they will deduct this bonus amount from player's A deal, but player A will have 10k points less (5k in rake) in his account. So, it's unfair for those players who already have bonuses before June to be deducted.

No. Its summer sale this month.

Gonna ask and see what they say N

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

How or where do we opt in for the rakeback for the party promotion?
Also, if i signed in and deposited previous month, the bonus will be deducted from RB?

Betfair poker alias in RTR website is which? betfair account poker name or betfair poker screen name?

Alias is you screen name sgpokernoob

We'll make it clearer on the site

TY for that

J

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

Hey Sinsst

You can opt in here

https://www.raketherake.com/rakeback...d-bwin-in-june

As for the bonus - the 60% is supposed to reflect a return that is higher than VIP plus bonus anyhow. So it will be better if you don't opt in until the bonus is cleared if that's what you want.
But if you want 60% then you need to give up the bonus.

Personally I think the 60% is the better deal

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

This whole "flat" thing will leave so much room for confusion ... And we are dealing with Party ... A site that can't get anything right to begin with !!

Also ....
Take Joe Smith, who is tracked to RTR, but hasn't played in 15 months, rakes $5000 in June , and gets 60% back ($3000) ... Which is awesome (seriously)

But let's take Joe Grinder, who has a current active bonus he's working on, a bonus he purchased last month, but has yet to activate, and loads of bonuses he's planning on purchasing in the June sale ...
He'll get that same 60% back on his $5000 of rake, which is still great ...
... but all the other bonuses he's worked so hard for will be completely revoked ??

If Joe Smith is gonna get 60%, then Joe Grinder needs to get 60%, plus everything else he's entitled to .

I hear you but...you have to look at this as an exclusive and incredibly generous bonus. We can't plan for everybody's different circumstance so we just offer something that is better than VIP + bonus to everyone.
If we hadn't offered it at all then Joe Grinder would be on a much smaller return. But this way he gets 60% regardless and doesn't have to worry about clearing a bonus. Joe Smith gets reactivated and more people playing means more liquidity for everyone, a more successful promotion and therefore a higher chance of being able to run it again.

Joe Grinder cant have his cake and eat it to. If everyone is getting 85%+ then there's no point in running the promo because after other fees and costs, no one else is making any money.

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

First ... Let me say Thank you for this promotion, and all other promotions RTR has run in the past .
They are excellent in value.
60% across the board is fantastic !

We need to be crystal clear however, on what will be deducted from the 60% payment on or before July 15th for the month of June ......

1. Many people have bonuses currently active, that have nothing to do with June rake, but these bonuses expire in June and cannot be paused until July ( the $500 500K direct buyin bonus for example)
... Or even just a bonus bought in the store five months ago that will expire in June
2. Some people have current active bonuses that have nothing to do with June rake, and these bonuses can be paused past June ... But what if this promotion runs again in July (and August and so on .... )
3. Most players on party/Bwin earned "grinder bonuses" for their play in May, but these bonuses were only distributed June 1st ...
These $400 or $1250 bonuses, if not activated already, could hypothetically be activated either July 1st or 2nd, but again, what if this promotion is run again in July ??

4. There is a points sale in the store for the next two weeks ...
50% off bonuses at WPT/party/Bwin
25% off tournament tickets at party/Bwin

People will be wanting to spend essentially all their points during this sale !

I can see how points earned in June, and subsequently spent on store items that are cleared/utilized in June would be deducted ... But ...
What happens with points earned prior to June that are utilized to purchase items during the sale, and then subsequently cleared in June ?
What happens with points earned prior to June that are utilized during the sale, but the store item isn't even activated in June ?
What happens with points earned in June that are used to buy a store item in the June sale, but the store item isn't activated in June ?

My concern is this ....

Players cannot be "taxed" for the month of June for all three of :

A. Bonuses/store items earned prior to June, but cleared in June
B. Bonuses/store items earned in June and cleared in June
C. Bonuses/store items purchased in June, yet cleared in another month altogether ( these items may in fact never be cleared, so how can they be taxed ?)


My main point : Players cannot be deducted for the past, present, AND future.
... The present yes.
And worst case scenario, the past and present -OR- the present and future ...

But NOT all three !!

We need to know what exact scenario we will be dealing with, so we can plan accordingly ...
We need to know the formula for the deductions, and have them communicated now, so there is no room for discrepancies in July when we are paid .

Thanks for reading, and trying to understand this

Hi G

I'm going to speak to a couple of others on this but i suspect the answer is going to be as i said before, that a player either opts in and gets the 60% and accepts that this is better than they would have achieved anyhow, or they don't opt in and continue with the VIP scheme and bonuses.

At best they might review bonuses started in May and pay them as at and May and then cancel them. But I am making that up and have no idea if it is even possible.

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

I do realize it is better than what has been offered in the last few months .... I just want to make it optimal, and so will other players.

A player will either be deducted on current bonuses earned prior to June, but cleared in June, or bonuses bought in June, but activated and cleared (if ever) after June

We can't be deducted both ways

As much as I hate to say it, I'd suggest anything that is cleared in June be deducted ...
It's simple
But the argument can be made that this bonus was created with rake paid in months prior to June (?!?!)

On the flip side ...
How can we be deducted a bonus bought in the store in June, that many never even be activated, let alone cleared ? (You can't deduct something that doesn't even exist yet ... Right ? )


Like I said, we as players need to be made aware of the formula for the July payment ... Please

Hi Johnny,

Maybe they can make compromise and deduct our pre June bonuses from MGR, not from 60% deal?

I am playing at Bwin. Have 500 EUR bonus active from March. Bonus will expire at the end of June. I raked 2500 EUR to buy this bonus. I need to rake another 1250 EUR in June to clear it. So, I will get 1250 x 0.6 = 750 EUR. 750/(2500+1250) = 20% return.

Great promotion Johnny but as you can see, return is totally different If I count my pre June bonus. It would be best if they can cancel this bonus and return my points, but I think they will not do it.

I have $500 bonus for 500K direct buyin also... All these bonuses are worthless if they will deduct them from 60%deal.

Once again, really great promotions but Party/Bwin could handle this different.

So I took a few minutes and thought about it ....

The players with the 500K bonus and the grinder bonus will be getting 40% RB for each of those ...
Combine that with the promotion that ran the previous two months (30% on all rake, plus 15% from RTR leaderboard ) and most of us would be getting up to 85%

.... That's before we even spend a single point in the store, which could be done concurrently, and would potentially involve further rakeback of up to 60% for the top palladium bonus.
I know players that are about to spend up to 50K points in the June sale, who have no idea about this clause that's hidden in the T&Cs of the promo ...

March ... 15% RB at certain targets
April ... 15% RB at certain targets ... But if you opt in, an additional 30% RB
May ... 15% RB at certain targets ... But if you opt in, an additional 30% RB
June. ... 15% RB at certain targets OR a "flat" 60% if you opt in
.... This implies that instead of up to 45%, everyone will just simply get a flat 60%, and they will snap opt in (like I did )

Players will assume that this 60% removes them from the 15% leaderboard, but will never assume they are rendering their 500k bonuses and/or hard earned grinder bonuses and/or other bonuses useless ...
This would need to be explained in the promotion details BEFORE the opt in button !

The 1% of players who read the T&Cs will only do so AFTER they've clicked the big opt in button, as the T&Cs link is BELOW the opt in button lol

If players spend 50K points on store items, and then find out that all the bonuses they've cleared and the store items they've bought were all deducted from what seemed to be a pretty simple idea of a flat 60%, you are gonna have a ****storm of pissed players come July 15th ...

My idea for a resolution :

Unless 500k and grinder bonuses become exempt from deductions, and points earned before June used in the sale are exempt from deductions,

- Just run the promo the same way it's been run in April and May.

June is full of bonuses to be cleared, and items to be bought at the store ....
... And when July 1st comes, make it clear what RTR players are opting into.
And then run this idea of a flat 60% in July

It will be an AMAZING promotion for July !!!

Couldn't find anything on the site; when do you payout the bwin rakeback?

Also saw this one your site, again in bwin section:

Im assuming that bonus shouldn't be deducted from rakeback right? Yet you said this a few days ago;

So which is it?

Hey guys so we have spoken to Party and it will work as follows

Any bonuses that were bought in May will not be deducted if you opt in to the 60% deal.
But if you even buy any bonuses in June (let alone clear them) they will be deducted from the 60% deal if you have opted in (as that is how their system works when calculating player contributions etc).

I realise there are the half price summer bonuses but that's the way it goes.

We will email the players who have opted in so far and if they need to opt out they can.

Best wishes

Johnny

Skype: rakeback1

Hi Johnny,

I have one from May which I didn't buy. It's $500 bonus from 500K direct buyin. So, this bonus will be deducted even if it's from May because I didn't buy it?

I have one more bonus bought in March. This will not be deducted?

Need to know in order to activate correct bonus to clear.