FX, you posted the same thing in the other thread. Datamining was legal 6 months ago and OP has denied datamining since FT made it known they didn't allow it anymore.

Don't mean to burst your bubble Sober, but does anyone remember a case where FT reversed their decision and did the right thing? I just don't seem to recall one, but I haven't been around these forums all that long. Definitey could see something like that happening here with all these seemingly false positives.

not everyone plays for profit, a lot play for fun you idiot, reported.

plus it was micro limits.

OP, this is pretty ridiculous and i wish you the best in the resolution. though i understand the purpose of this was mostly for your own benefit, the presentation is good for the community and the format of your post serves as a good template

gl

Awesome idea, everyone slightly above break even or worse should quit poker.

Way to give poker players a bad name you social ******.

Suig,I understand I posted it in the other thread,the other thread is dead,and this is an updated version.I did not know datamining was legal 6 months ago,do you have a statement or a link supporting that?I only posted some discrepancies I noticed from some posts in the other thread.I am not making any judgment,I am jusy pointing out some things that were said.I got the feeling when he said I dont datamine,that he meant just that,he doesnt datamine.I never got the feeling he was talking about today,or yesterday,or last week.

I am on the players side on this,and wish full tilt to fully explain themselves.ISince this thread is a full discloser,I would like op to confirm he does not datamine any more. I happen to think this may be why full tilt flagged him,poker tracker 3 seems to be a common software in these aduits.

also please excuse my ignorance if I am way off here,I dont use software,and really dont know any thing about it.I just noticed a discrepancy in some posts.

GL OP with your case.
On the other hand, FT should ban all shortstackers.
j/k
no, but srsly

It is? Never thought about it myself. Thanks for sharing your experience though.





The truest characters of ignorance are vanity and pride and arrogance.
Samuel Butler

dude you forgot to bash him for being a shortstacker

i may hate you and what you do, but i would not wish actual injustice on you

if a meteor were to hit you, i would not consider this unjust, btw

you think any of those jobs will pay $25 an hour

In cases of previous seizures we have learned that FTP never acts until they are "absolutely 100% certain" of their conclusions. Therefore no reversals are ever needed.

Explanations are intentionally withheld as well, since they would only serve to educate the 100% guilty party about how to avoid getting caught next time.

So you can see why there is no need for an appeals process, as it would only waste everybody's time.

-pyg

Hey, look everyone, it's the Christmas troll!

You'd rather blow homeless bums than make $20/hr playing poker? Um, OK.

Indeed you are. This reminds me of that hysterical Marketplace thread where you made 6 separate posts trolling with lowball offers and insults. Indeed, you are an authority on good use of one's time.

Do us all a favor and find something better to do. Seriously. Unless infraction collection is your new hobby.

It's certainly a fault of the student, not the teacher. He can't make me study or not make an occasional idiot call. My postflop play, especially when I get up to ~25bbs deep, is horrendous, which my regs will vouch for/have taken advantage of.

I'm not holding my breath.

I can't imagine how people play this awful game for fun. I'm just mediocre, but thankfully rakeback was able to supply me with a better hourly rate than any 9-5 bs job I could get.

I realize my responses may have been unclear, as I was trying to answer different questions at once. I do not datamine. I did a bit 6-8 months ago when I first moved to FT, probably something like 30k hands total. Mining wouldn't help me any more - I have 10k+ hands on each of my regs, and if I see a person with 0 hands, I assume they're new and therefore stupid.

I didn't worry much about the datamining questions coming from the forum because it's never mentioned in any of FT's emails. They're not banning me for datamining, they're banning me for cheating. I understand the desire for people to know, because the majority of the recent closures seem to have something to do with it. Either way, I haven't datamined in over 6 months, and even then it was pretty limited.

Thanks, a major goal of this thread was to inform the 2+2 community as well as possible, rather than to spook FT's player base. I'm not a vengeful person, and I have indeed been wronged, I just don't want to see this happen to some of the good people I talk with in OOT, the VG forum, LOL, or Health & Fitness. BBV4L'ers can go to hell imo.

Gee, now thats too bad. They are probably the only group that could've saved you.

When I was only making around $12/hr at my regular job and then I got up to around $25/hr at online poker I decided to give full-time online poker a try. I considered the 'blowing homeless bums' aspect but decided that could just be my fall-back plan.

Stuff like this, imo, is so much worse than what NVG is currently sobbing about wrt UB.

If I had a meaningful roll there is no way I would play on FTP. They're simply far too keen on locking accounts for questionable reasons, and provide so little in terms of communication to the customer.

I know there's a number of posters on this site with associations with FTP, and I really wish they've leverage them to at least get the site to have the decency to explain to players why they're taking their money and locking their accounts without the players having to send multiple emails.

The thing is neither Full Tilt or any poker site should be able to ban you directly themselves. They should send your case to a higher authority, explain to the higher authority with full details what they suspecting you of wrong doing, and then the higher authority should judge you.

This is called the seperation of powers and it is the very fondation of every democracy.

1. I am drunk.

2. I hope either: a. you are telling the truth and this works out for you. b. you are lying shortstacking scum and your roll gets confiscated.

3. This also makes me a bit apprehensive about FTP, but at the same time it won't stop me from playing here. I play as well as my girlfriend, she transfers $ to me for us to both withdraw simultaneously, etc and they've never once bothered us in the slightest. It gives me alot of confidence in their security department, but threads like this simultaneously make me question it. Conundrum imo.

Hate to break it to you, but online poker is not a democracy, and no such "higher authority" exists.

Hate it to break it to you but America and hundreds of others country in the world were not a democracy at first but they finally became one...

Well, clearly that's why these guys are in Antigua or wherever.

Oversight is the key issue here. I have no problem with FT and other sites having the ability to suspend or ban players, in fact I think it's mandatory. I do think that the review and appeal process needs a degree of transparency, however.

I don't think I'm owed any kind of special privileges with regards to privacy, because I don't want legitimate cheaters out there to be able to hide under the same cloak. They should be able to do what the want because they're independent companies. I don't want to deny the rights of anyone - players nor corporations.

I do agree that some form of due process, 3rd party oversight, or appeals mechanism should be in place, but I seriously doubt we'll get that until UIGEA is overturned + the US government begins regulating and taxing the industry.

1. I will be soon

2. a. much appreciated b. is it the shortstacking, or that I'm a PS3 owner?

3. My secondary goal has been accomplished. Definitely think about it. Think about what you could possibly do to prove yourself innocent if this happened to you next week. It's a tough situation.

Oh, I didn't know that. Well obviously you understand far more about this topic than me. I will defer to your superior knowledge and insight.

Please let us all know when your quest is successful.

FT is beyond hope imo. Their ambiguous and hair trigger bans of people w/out proper explanation will only result in rogue users who will just create more and more accounts without care because they dont feel ft's rules are fair. This will in turn victimize the ethical, rule abiding users whose accounts will get lumped into suspicion bc of "indicators of account misuse, etc." These users will be alienated and without a large pool of sites will come back under new names, registrations, and the cycle will continue.

Dids - nice post. FTP people have said on previous similar situations that they learned they need to better communicate with their player and they were going to definitely do that. I believe them. LOL at me.

Actually, I think they have made some slight improvements in this department but obviously falling WAY short of where they need to be. Somebody would get their account locked, no message why, customer panics (not sure if they've been hacked but I think there may be some "we've locked your account" pop up now which is a little better), then it takes several days to get even the most basic of responses such as "Yup, we locked it" although that may be down to a few hours or just one day in some situations now I think.

It's really freaky how they handle some of these things. I only have a very small roll on there and pay there very infrequently but it would not surprise me in the slightest if I turned up as a false positive on their radar somehow just because I multi-table, use HEM and an AHK. I'm not totally paranoid about it because it's a small roll anyway.

But I know I'm not the only one who thinks this. This isn't just general "FTP Bashing" just for the fun of it. People are legitimately concerned. And it's not just Stars-fanbois like me. Their own customers are somewhat scared there. Some of them are leaving for Stars even though they like FTP better. It just blows me away that they aren't doing more to clean up this public perception mess and are just sitting there saying how 100% certain they are of their actions when it seems so obvious that they almost HAVE to have some false-positives in there.

Anyone who plays there just needs to keep their fingers crossed and hope they don't get caught up in their detection stuff which also includes winning unknowingly from the wrong guy. If I accidentally set off their red flags somehow what assurances do I have that they would listen to me? I'm not sure there's any chance at all since they seem so confident it's impossible to accidentally set them off.