ugh. This is a plausible explanation, but it's not for you to answer! If this really is the reason the OP cannot now explain this w/o it looking like he got the idea from you.

Dire: Please stop demanding answers to your questions from people other than the OP. Go back to analysing his data objectively to see if you spot other issues.

█████, OP went out of his way to mention multiple times (as well as posting proof) that he rarely ever plays longer than an hour. It seems unusual to think that him suggesting his taking useless notes is a means of remaining focused for his marathon 45 minute sessions, where he's 10-16 tabling, is a reasonable explanation. And why wouldn't the majority of his notes at least be directly relevant to short stacking? Not to mention, what exactly is he forced to focus so hard on for 45 minutes to earn .5BB/100? Again, just more little excuses that seem ostensibly 'ok', but just don't make any sense at all under inspection.

And █████, if you do agree that it is a strange curiosity - why exactly did you tell me to STFU? More curiosities I guess.

I think it's up to FTP to explain to the community why they banned him, not up to the community to tell you why OP does a certain thing in a certain way, that's not really the point of this thread.

Which coincidentally was also my point by "telling you to STFU".

(by the way, it's still hard to stay focused for some people for 50 minutes of shortstacking, it can seem like a long time I might actually try this note-taking madness some time when I feel I am getting bored while mega-tabling!)

And again you continue to dodge the questions, so I'll keep my posts short. If you were going to take notes, why not make the majority at least directly relevant to shortstacking?

obv OP sat down and made a bunch of fake notes cuz that totally clears his name ldo and now he can go back to stackin mad cheese with his 1bb/100 10 hr/week doombot imo

Seriously. Stop asking others posters this question. It is for the OP to answer. Anyone else speculating is not helpful and could cause problems.

Dire, you ask some good questions, and I think your intentions are good, but your rhetorical style leaves much to be desired.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_many_questions

You've pretty much implied that it is incontrovertible that OP could have a strategy that makes the notes relevant.

You've also implied that it is unreasonable to take notes that aren't directly relevant to the strategy OP claims to currently be using.

Either of these "implied assertions" could be wrong. (They could be right, too, of course, but you seem to like "stacking the deck" in the way you phrase your questions).

When questioned, you merely use devices like "If you understood anything about X, you'd know that..." to refute the questions.

OP has done a much better job responding to your questions than you have done responding to your detractors.

OP hasn't yet proven his innocence in my eyes, but he's done much to raise doubt that FTP can reasonably be "100% certain" that he is a botter.

BTW: I do also appreciate FTP's good intentions in removing cheaters/botters. But it seems like they may be over-zealous, and it's unclear that they have any desire to either admit to and/or correct mistakes on their part.

Dire, how are my notes irrelevant to shortstacking? I'm looking at the screenshot, and I don't see a single note that couldn't help form some kind of read if my PT3 stats weren't up yet. They're limp, call, 3bet, and 3bet calling ranges. What could possibly be more relevant? What the hell kind of notes did you expect to see? Point out a specific useless note and I'll explain the logic.

I play a lot more postflop hands than you probably think. The only times I push preflop are when there's a bet in front, 2 or more limpers, 1 or more limpers in steal position, and BvB. I never open push more than 14BBs, and I don't stack off on any flop. I cbet/fold overcards and underpairs, and having information about a villain's preflop call ranges as well as postflop tendencies helps more than hurts.

And getting a note in on nearly every showdown at 16 tables isn't that big a deal. Full ring is super slow, and most of my preflop decisions are very easy, so I usually have plenty of time to take notes.

My early position game is based on what I have. My late position/blinds game is based on your ranges.

This has unintentionally turned into the new illuminati thread.

Even if you're entire line of questioning is correct and the OP is guilty, its irrelevant as far as Im concerned. FTP doesnt have to let anyone play on their site and OP isnt going to be able to prove he's innocent of whatever if they think he's guilty.

FTP says their policy is not to confiscate money if they arent 100% sure the OP is guilty of something. FTP says they aren't 100% sure that OP is guilty of something. FTP is not giving OP a way to withdraw his money and is ignoring his communication. How is that not completely unacceptable?

This is what is so frustrating for me. As one of the people banned, I know they are overzealous. Looking at all of Dire's accusations, I want to defend Sober, not because I have any further insight into his situation, but because I know they've gotten it wrong in my case. But there's nothing I can do to prove it anymore than Sober can.

I'm getting my money, so I'm not as bad off as Sober, and I'm already playing on Pokerstars, so it's not the end of the world, but it is indescribably frustrating to be accused of something (who knows what) and have no way to prove your innocense.

I remember that thread. You're making it sound like everyone who was caught up in the superturbo thing and posted in that thread was found guilty. The OP and several others in that thread were also found innocent and had their accounts reinstated. You're being disingenuous.

I'm also sure you understand the difference between SNGs where everyone starts with 10BBs vs. a 20BB shortstacker playing vs. stacks of varying sizes.

umpossible

i dont see how dire thinks he can prove OP is guilty with whats presented. notes are useful to the person who writes them obv..guilty til proven innocent?

i figured FT needed to get as many extra to cover the cost of Cloneys lawsuit or to pay the pros...operation seize accounts.

with the rake FT takes its gotta be for the rich. do they even have micro stakes.. i know why people doubt OP, its because he still managed to win on FriggedP! its like helmuth, "its amazing you bet me" with kj vs 10 2.

No, apparently he doesn't.

The reason I don't put Dire on ignore is because he actually SEEMS to be making sense. He has a little bit of knowledge, which is a dangerous thing, and keeps bringing up issues that SOUND like they might be relevant but are actually ****ING STUPID and just detract from the main issues, and since I have actually studied short-stacking strategy and I play STT for a living, I actually KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT and can provide ACTUAL INSIGHT.

Since I don't want this thread to get derailed for purely selfish reasons, because I play high volume and don't want to be next, I would like to be able to point out the stupidity of his posts so that we STAY ON THE ****ING TOPIC.

why the dire-hate pineapple? i think he has conducted himself perfectly. i also think you have too. i.e. a neutral outsider like myself can see points that both of you have made. your reply here seems so harsh?!?

i dont see how dire thinks he can prove OP is guilty with whats presented. notes are useful to the person who writes them obv..guilty til proven innocent?

i figured FT needed to get as many extra to cover the cost of Cloneys lawsuit or to pay the pros...operation seize accounts.

with the rake FT takes its gotta be for the rich. do they even have micro stakes.. i know why people doubt OP, its because he still managed to win on FriggedP! its like helmuth, "its amazing you beat me" with kj vs helmuth's 10 2.

i would be shocked and surprised if YOU were someone who uses the ignore feature. if you do, my respect for you is gone.

heres an example of how stars has better customer service than FTP:

Hello Tony,

Thank you for your email.

I have looked into your playing history for Tournament # #131296193, and
found that you missed a substantial portion of this tournament. As we
consider you a valued player at PokerStars I have issued a credit of
$107.50 to your account.

We appreciate your business and hope that you continue to enjoy playing at
PokerStars.

Kind Regards,

Nicole
PokerStars Support Team


this happened earlier today when stars was having a lot of connection issues, and i missed several hands at the beginning of my hyper turbo $107 tourney,causeing me to see my first hand at only 255 chips instead of 500

I have conclusive proof of Sober and his bot

Not necessarily as bad in the future.
Stars has said they will introduce partial FPP's in Feb or Mar. No details on this plan but it should hopefully be able to bridge the gap somewhat for the medium volume NL50 or Nl25 type players. Might not make it all the way to FT 27% levels but should hopefully be closer when they finally put it together.

jorj's situation pretty much has nothing to do with 'regular' players getting good rakeback rates at Stars and I have no idea why Granny referenced it.

jorj plays super high-stakes SNG's and earned 3 Million VPP's last year for about a zillion dollars in rakeback.

For highish volume multi-tabling players you can get anywhere from 25-55% rakeback on Stars through their VIP program if you play high enough and put in the volume. But if you play 6 tables of NL50 or something you won't get much rakeback on Stars and likely would still be better off on FT (strictly speaking in terms of money while ignoring risk/reward considerations of FT randomly deciding to take all your money).

The post I saw was asking him to compare the EV between the $335's and the $500's or something like that.

Dire, your comments have evolved from thoughtfully inquisitive toward Sober to irritatingly apologetic of FTP's methods to totally worthless. You have no idea what you're talking about regarding useful notes WRT shortstacking. He takes many of the same type of notes that I do, and I've been making 5-figures per month for nearly a year doing this stuff.

For one thing, notes taken are on showdowns BETWEEN the shortstacker and the villain. I've found players play me VERY differently than they do other fullstackers. So, how they handle me specifically is very useful to me...as are knowing what cards they've seen me showdown against them. Knowing what players like to limp/call monsters is HUGE for the strategy I play...knowing what hands certain players like to 3bet and resteal with against me is huge.

Every single note I've seen Sober take is relevant to what he's doing. More and more, the things you're saying are irrelevant...first of all because you don't know what you're talking about regarding helpful vs. unhelpful notes when shortstacking (you seem to fundamentallly misunderstand the strategy) and because your overall scenarios are getting further and further fetched (really, he lets his bot run and takes irrelevant notes as a cover? is that your argument?).

Ridiculous assertion that one doesn't have time to take copious notes while 16-tabling...many do the same thing while fullstacking a much more complex strategy and still keep up. Ridiculous assertion that mine and Sober's drunken miscommunication on how much I rake has anything at all to do with the present situation.

Your offerings have slipped into the realm of the absurd, Dire. If you don't have anything to say that bears any relationship to reality, then it's time to stfuimo.

i mostly play 200nl but am not really a high volume player (see: lazy). i pretty much got the idea that if you're playing less than supernova quantity, FTP's rakeback system is better for you, although that might not be entirely accurate