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It is so much easier for them to ignore you (and us) than it is to say that they might have made a mistake. They obviously do not value their customers at FullTilt.

Aha, but you are forgetting that FullTilt never takes an action like this until they are 100% certain. From this, you can derive the probability they are making a mistake, like so:

Code:

  Prob[mistake] = 100% - Prob[correct]
                = 100% - 100%
                = 0%

Hope this helps.

-pyg

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01-02-2009 , 09:07 PM

#502

d0nk3y

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,185

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Originally Posted by blankoblanco

i play ftp regularly due to rakeback. but this **** makes me want to switch

I would have switched to Stars a long time ago but no rakeback there is the reason im still at Tilt.

Hope you get your account back Sober or at least your money.

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01-02-2009 , 10:53 PM

#503

Nofx Fan

banned

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,632

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Originally Posted by Sober

No response from Doug or return email from Full Tilt.

I'm going to go ahead and email them my notes file, in case they don't store that server side.

*here's the email I just sent:

18 days and counting since my initial suspension.

Sober,
To give you some hope I think it's a GOOD sign that they are taking this long.You would think if they were just gonna drop the banhammer,they would do so swiftly.

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Originally Posted by notmynormalname

Is it worth emailing all the people Clonie Gowan named in her lawsuit to see if they can help you?
Is it worth contacting any red pros on FTP and pointing them to this thread in case they know someone who can help?.
What about contacting someone like Barry Greenstein at PokerRoad so he can contact someone in the know directly?
The lack of responce by FTP is disturbing.
Its like a giant slowroll.

lol'ed

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01-02-2009 , 11:15 PM

#504

Marmor

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,372

This is not the first time and I really hope OP will get his well deserved money back (plus some).

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01-03-2009 , 12:26 AM

#505

GrannyMae

Goon

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,004

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Originally Posted by blankoblanco

p.s. i play ftp regularly due to rakeback. but this **** makes me want to switch

make the switch. it took me a long time, but i don't think i will ever play anywhere again except stars.

re: your rakeback, you will do fine if you are a volume player. check out jorj95's awesome thread for evidence.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...nd-iii-377142/

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01-03-2009 , 12:30 AM

#506

bleeper

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 151

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Originally Posted by notmynormalname

I have no doubt that multiple red pros are aware of this thread. I think they're being smart by staying out of it for now. Either that, or they all got an email from management with a directive to make no comments about this situation.

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01-03-2009 , 01:41 AM

#507

seefut22

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,883

what irritates me is that a lot of times when these sort of threads start, a rep from the site will come on all cheeky and shat knowing that they are in the right. they make a smart azz remark about the situation and get props from 2+2 for being so diligent. but whenever they are in the wrong it seems like they are ninjas who never ever monitor whats going on at 2+2.

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01-03-2009 , 02:38 AM

#508

Got Nutz?

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,792

How has FT not commented here ? Simply amazing .
Good Luck OP !!!

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01-03-2009 , 02:47 AM

#509

moving shapes

veteran

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,903

i rarely play on ft - have played around 15k hands last 3 months, mostly hu

a few months ago i transferred money to a guy on ft that sells datamined hand histories
(it was for a 1mil 2/4 hh database, but obv ft doesn't know this)

i don't shortstack or use a hud while playing -
but i've withdrawn most of my money from ft

this is kind of scary

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01-03-2009 , 03:21 AM

#510

Sober

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,836

Woohoo, it's Friday night, and I've spent about 2 hours getting my blog ready to post. It's still not done, but I'll post when it is and put links to it in my profile.

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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?

How has FT not commented here ? Simply amazing .
Good Luck OP !!!

No comment from any FT representatives here.

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Originally Posted by moving shapes

sigh.

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01-03-2009 , 03:30 AM

#511

d0nk3y

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Originally Posted by GrannyMae

re: your rakeback, you will do fine if you are a volume player. check out jorj95's awesome thread for evidence.

Yeah that's great, IF you are a volume player and you play higher than NL100.
Stars is useless to micro players that doesn't 24tables 60hours a week.

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01-03-2009 , 03:51 AM

#512

moving shapes

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Originally Posted by Sober

sigh.

the db was for 6max; i don't multitable 6max on ft or use a hud while playing on ft. i've never used the db while playing on ft. i bought it to study

- but obv this doesn't matter

i'm just going to withdraw all my money from ft in case they flag my account and confiscate my funds.

sigh.

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01-03-2009 , 05:21 AM

#513

otter

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,477

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Originally Posted by GrannyMae

I don't know who he is...still don't. I was interested, but I read through 4 pages and had enough of the stupid questions. Would you mind cliffnoting it? I know he's said he isn't very good at poker and he seems like some average Joe who plays 6-8 hours/day 5 days a week and just SNG's on a laptop

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01-03-2009 , 08:46 AM

#514

Sober

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Originally Posted by otter

I'm very very drunk atm, but 6-8 hours a day would = me killing myself imo (ps I'm about to make sexy tiem ?VERY NICE)

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01-03-2009 , 09:10 AM

#515

JamesAt15

adept

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 740

Glad to hear that some verdicts are coming back in your favor, at least.

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01-03-2009 , 10:05 AM

#516

MarkW

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 87

OP, not sure if FT is offshore or under tribal jurisdiction here, but have you retained a lawyer to discuss your legal rights and recourse?

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01-03-2009 , 02:55 PM

#517

vinnie2k

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 503

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Originally Posted by ThaOutlaw87

This is called the seperation of powers and it is the very fondation of every democracy.

Companies are not democracies. They manage their business as they see fit within the general codes of conduct provided by the host society. You sign the contract, you abide by the laws of that company.

----------------
Listening to spam while writing this... Enjoy!
via spam.com

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-03-2009 at 07:47 PM.

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01-03-2009 , 04:58 PM

#518

qpw

banned

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,019

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Originally Posted by vinnie2k

No one is suggesting that FTP are acting illegally.

Just that they are behaving like a bunch of arseholes.

Also, the right of a company to do business as it sees fit does not remove the right of others to criticise it.

Finally, in many jurisdictions it is quite possible for a court to strike out any clause of a contract that it deems 'unfair' so things are not as clear cut as you make out.

You are, though, quite correct in alluding to the fact that the idea of democracy have nothing to do with running a company.

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01-03-2009 , 05:25 PM

#519

GrannyMae

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,004

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Originally Posted by otter

seems like some average Joe who plays 6-8 hours/day 5 days a week and just SNG's on a laptop

he has amassed 3,000,000 + vpp's this year on that laptop. this resulted in at least $450,000 in cash for that feat plus a car and trips etc. he is usually top name or top 3 on the stars leaderboards.

that's just the perks, not including funds won.

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01-03-2009 , 05:37 PM

#520

otter

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Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,477

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Originally Posted by GrannyMae

Holy ****!! And that's playing 33 and 50 sng's w/ only a 1% ROI...Perhaps I should revisit sng's. Wow. Impressive

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01-03-2009 , 08:41 PM

#521

+EV

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,429

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Originally Posted by otter

Holy ****!! And that's playing 33 and 50 sng's w/ only a 1% ROI...Perhaps I should revisit sng's. Wow. Impressive

"As for sng's I play whatever the biggest turbos are running on stars, anywhere from 100s to 2ks, and I also play a lot of the steps tournaments."

I am not sure that he plays 33's and 50's unless there are less than 14-26 of the highest tourneys running at any given time.

+EV

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01-03-2009 , 09:27 PM

#522

otter

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Originally Posted by +EV

There was a post asking him about his EV in the 33's and 50's and why they're so different (something like that) which is where I got the impressions that he played those limits

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01-03-2009 , 09:28 PM

#523

apefish

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,618

jorj is a beast.

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01-04-2009 , 12:01 AM

#524

Warteen

[ ] wears the pants

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,323

This is ridiculous. FTP will not be getting my business.

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01-04-2009 , 12:09 AM

#525

GrannyMae

Goon

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,004

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Originally Posted by otter

There was a post asking him about his EV in the 33's and 50's and why they're so different (something like that) which is where I got the impressions that he played those limits

that was 330's vs 500's

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