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12-05-2009 , 09:00 AM
Blaming the OP will help no one, blaming FTP would do better.

I forgot to make a screenshot but I was seated at a FR NL400 table among 8 SSS regulars, me being the only bigstack - this cannot be and should not be. I have no problems with 1-2 short stack at my tables, but when the only ay to see a flop is being all in preflop and hopeing to do good against a range of hands, than it is not poker anyome.

There were other threads where the problem is discussed more in detail and with many solutions given. I personally stopped playing FR and completely stopped playing at FTP.
If 50 regs would do the same, FTP would take action (i guess... or better, i hope).
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12-05-2009 , 09:03 AM
Play deep tables. Problem solved!

/trhead
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12-05-2009 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SheepMoose
oh no, FTP has plans to do something about complaints that were made by people with enough of a stack to play 3 streets of poker. What will we ever do?


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12-05-2009 , 12:43 PM
LOL, OP short stacks 50nl FR at like 2bb/100

I'm sure sites banning short stackers will really hurt your life since you'll miss out on your chance to make like $25/hour
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12-05-2009 , 12:48 PM
They are doing you a favor, now you can learn to play real poker.
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12-05-2009 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
FTP is going to do something to try and stop us from playing. If they essentially ban shortstacking as we know it (any serious player plays 24 tables)
grunch:

if you are 24-tabling at FT i'd have to agree that's pretty ****in serious
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12-05-2009 , 01:20 PM
[x] heat up huge pot of grease until it catches on fire

[x] throw it on self
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12-05-2009 , 01:43 PM
Why don't you regs man up and play each other HU on deep tables?

You could easily get dozens of more tables running.
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12-05-2009 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
gder, I have watched your vids since the begining and am a huge fan. That being said, I don't even play on FTP, but I feel like if tilt makes it hard for people to effectively shortstack (either by cutting rakeback or increasing the time before you can sit down with 20BBs), stars will follow suit and the games will dry up very quickly even for good lags like YOU. Shortstackers are like a "tax" on good TAGs and LAGs.

The NL cash game food chain is in perfect balance.
The Nits beat the SSers, TAGs beat the Nits, LAGs beat the TAGs and Nits, SSers beat the LAGs and break even vs TAGs...
This has to be the absolute dumbest post I have ever read on this forum. Well done
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12-05-2009 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 5string
i hope they make it all 2bb max tables, now thats poker
+1
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12-05-2009 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chicken10der
you dumbasses cannibalized yourselves by over-recruiting. there are new ss'ers from germany and russia signing up every single day now and overrunning the tables, ruining their own potential action and mgr. and that isn't even slowing them down because all they read from the hand chart authors is "E-Z MONEY!!!"

if not allowing 20bb'ers means the end of online poker for a site as big as full tilt, then surely a smaller network like cereus would instantly be out of business once they cut out ss'ers, right? wait, they've had 40bb min on every single table for a long time and are still doing fine.
Same with UB/AP
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12-05-2009 , 01:58 PM
No I believe this would be the beginning of the beginning for poker.
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12-05-2009 , 01:58 PM
Finally FTP support has answered my requests. Thank you FTP, the best support in the biz!!!
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12-05-2009 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
First, let me say that this is a serious thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...1-26-a-643111/

if you haven't read this already, please click on this and read the first post.

FTP is going to do something to try and stop us from playing. If they essentially ban shortstacking as we know it (any serious player plays 24 tables), there will be hell to pay. At least, there should be. This is 100% serious, and I demand this thread be left open for intelligent discussion about what should be done.

You can't change the rules of the game anytime you please.
This could be the beginning of the end for online poker. I may just rip up my PPA card and become a huge voice against online "poker", or as you like to play it, deep stacked NUT PEDDLING.
DIE SHORTSTACKER
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12-05-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by il_martilo
No I believe this would be the beginning of the beginning for poker.
+1
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12-05-2009 , 02:30 PM
OP is awful.
This thread is ridiculous.
Everyone in here is arguing about something that FT is going to do...and nobody here even knows what that is. Think about that for a second.

Also: Do something about shortstacks does NOT equal banning all shortstacks.

Serious reading comprehension issues in this thread. I probably agree more in general with the OP in that I wonder about the health of the games if SS'ers were eliminated completely somehow. But OP's ideas and arguments are about the worst ever and he truly does appear to be completely serious on the ridiculous posts he's made. And on top of that, I very seriously doubt shortstackers will be eliminated completely anyway just because FT says they are doing something about them.

Also: You can't 24-table on FT. LDO (felt like pointing that out again). So evidently there are zero serious shortstackers on FT. That should really cool out some of you FT players who thought there was an issue there with this SS stuff. According to OP there are zero SS players there anyway.
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12-05-2009 , 02:41 PM
so ftp are going to take their service away from their best customers
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12-05-2009 , 02:43 PM
To all the people who come in here and say "if you don't like SS then just play the deep tables":

THERE AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY ENOUGH RUNNING AT FT!!!

The stats on the number of deep tables running between FT and Stars have been detailed in the past few Answers threads where this argument has been hashed to death. We TRY to start deep tables, and very very few of them get running. I'm not even talking about how not enough fish sit down at them, we'd be happy to play 4 streets of poker against other regs. But, even being the second biggest site, FT doesn't have the player base to maintain enough of them. So please, please, stop ignorantly coming into these threads and telling us to "just play at the deep tables".
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12-05-2009 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
(any serious player plays 24 tables)
Shows the intelligence of OP...or lack of.

Not to mention the level of douchyness.

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Originally Posted by jglsd1
there will be hell to pay.
I'm guessing you have no clue what FTP has planned

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Originally Posted by jglsd1
This is 100% serious, and I demand this thread be left open for intelligent discussion about what should be done.
More douchyness to add to an all ready douchbag post not to mention you have said nothing intelligent.

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You can't change the rules of the game anytime you please.
What rules are they changing?

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This could be the beginning of the end for online poker.
Shortstacking is nothing new and somehow poker has survived. Are there more shortstackers now than there was a year ago? I would say yes. Poker, as a game, has evolved a lot just in the last few years. Being successful at it means you have to adapt. Playing online gives a person the benefit of having tables upon tables from which to select. If you are sitting at a table with several shortstackers then just move on.

I for one just cannot understand why people hate shortstackers so much. Most of them are awful and playing against them, in general, is basically feasy money at the cost of high variance.
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12-05-2009 , 03:30 PM
I'm interested to see what FTPs big solution is. There are already deep, cap, and normal tables, getting rid of any of them seems like it is needlessly limiting the options of the playerbase. Shortstackers still pay rake.

Everyone saying there are more shortstackers: Not all of them are good! One of my best friends on PTR is a terrible reg shortstacker. Maybe they make like .2ptbb, but thats winning 1ptbb from fish and losing .8 to good players.
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12-05-2009 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ImsaKidd
I'm interested to see what FTPs big solution is. There are already deep, cap, and normal tables, getting rid of any of them seems like it is needlessly limiting the options of the playerbase. Shortstackers still pay rake.

Everyone saying there are more shortstackers: Not all of them are good! One of my best friends on PTR is a terrible reg shortstacker. Maybe they make like .2ptbb, but thats winning 1ptbb from fish and losing .8 to good players.
Didn't you just post in BBV a graph of all the $$ you made shortstacking?
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12-05-2009 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by was_sick
Didn't you just post in BBV a graph of all the $$ you made shortstacking?
Imsa is one of the few good shortstackers iirk
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12-05-2009 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dennisa
Your statement above is untrue. At the three largest poker rooms in the World, the 1/2 game is $40 Min / Max. If you ask for a table change, you can only buy in with $40, not more. The rake is outrageous, and even in these conditions, you find the fishiest group of $1/2 players at Commerce, The Bike and Hawaiian Gardens.
i dunno about those casinos but the ones ive been to you can top up to 100bb's anytime you want and if you get a table change you cant take money off of the table
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12-05-2009 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGunslinger
To all the people who come in here and say "if you don't like SS then just play the deep tables":

THERE AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY ENOUGH RUNNING AT FT!!!

The stats on the number of deep tables running between FT and Stars have been detailed in the past few Answers threads where this argument has been hashed to death. We TRY to start deep tables, and very very few of them get running. I'm not even talking about how not enough fish sit down at them, we'd be happy to play 4 streets of poker against other regs. But, even being the second biggest site, FT doesn't have the player base to maintain enough of them. So please, please, stop ignorantly coming into these threads and telling us to "just play at the deep tables".
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also, OP, adjust. I've played poker for almost 20 years, do you think the game has been the same over that period?

It's been draw, stud, lhe, nlhe, you name it.
maybe you guys should adjust to SSers, clearly ppl on FT dont want to play deep
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12-05-2009 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ImsaKidd
I'm interested to see what FTPs big solution is. There are already deep, cap, and normal tables, getting rid of any of them seems like it is needlessly limiting the options of the playerbase. Shortstackers still pay rake.

Everyone saying there are more shortstackers: Not all of them are good! One of my best friends on PTR is a terrible reg shortstacker. Maybe they make like .2ptbb, but thats winning 1ptbb from fish and losing .8 to good players.
I sense a bit of fear...
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