yeah, dont see what that has to do with my post.

Good try, but HUD's fill in for the lack of live reads etc. This argument is tired.

If played correctly, you can't "adjust" to SS'ers. Simple as that. And you know this. Again, tired argument.

It's unbelievable how much dumb is in this thread. Haven and Bobo must be asleep since locking and mass bannings haven't happened yet.

shortstackers are not real people, their mothers do not love them, their fathers are dissapoint, they grew up staring at their sisters in the shower through a peephole, they are sexually attracted to livestock, and whenever they go out on the town they wear high heels and carry a purse

That followed by this:

Looks like that record didn't last long.

There was some discussion about this in the SNE thread and many seemed to be taking a stance similar to Bob's, that losing SSers might not be good for the health of the games.

I'm a currently a fullstacker (FT banned me for Shortstacking, so when I went to stars I switched to full), but I don't know that this change will be for the better. Reserving some judgement til I see what it is though.

Rationalizing much? This is really quite the stretch.

I just started about 10 deep and ante tables in 15 minutes. Really not that hard people.

We really need to wait and see what FTP actually does. Doug was vague in the answers thread and I don't think we'll see a big massive change, such as eliminating shortstackers altogether, no way imo. We may just see the ball get rolling really with slow, eventual changed. FTP is not in a hurry to weaken a significant portion of their player base.

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if we see a bit of a letdown. Point is, we'll need to see what happens before reassessing the change in dynamics this will cause and if it's a bad thing. Fwiw, I could see some negative change, but definitely nothing like the 'end of online poker' bull**** that OP was spewing.

That's an insane quote. There are players adjusting and beating the game with the SS'ers in it.

Winners overcome obstacles and losers whine about obstacles in their way.

P.S. I know the math says their strategy is unexploitable. People also said the Titanic could not sink.

When you go out and prove math wrong, come back and let us know.

why shortstackers wants to play vs 100bb stacks? because it gives them an unfair edge. that should not be allowed ! games should be the same for everyone !! let shortstack play in shorstacks games 10 - 30bbs deep and make other table 50bb +

why should the burden of starting tables be placed on those who wish to play real poker?

This statement confuses the hell out of me.

maybe it's because it's a question... and because you can't read.

Shortstackers are muppets, so please let them play 100bb's poker.

You still want mommy to spoonfeed you and change your diapers? If you want to play "real" poker (as opposed to what? unreal poker?) then start a goddamn deep stack table and stop whining like a little bitch.

I pray to god some of you are leveling in this thread because the level of ******ation, even from regular posters, is astounding.

So OP is going to tear up his PPA card and throw a temper tantrum if FullTilt forces him to buy in for 40BB? Evidently that would be "deep stack nut peddling!"

No wonder he had to specify that the post is serious. Otherwise no one would have believed him!

curtains, your HUD analogy is ******ed. HUDs are allowed online because online poker is played on computers. Imagine two casinos: one normal casino, and one with digital tables which have HUDs embedded in them in front of every seat. The second casino offers HUDs because they have the technology. Now let's say that the second casino starts allowing people to sit down at one table with 20 bbs, double up, immediately get up, move to another table, and sit down with 20 bbs. They allow them to make the rounds of the casino in this way, sitting at tables 1 - 12 and then starting again at table 1. Do you think that the other players at the casino would stand for this? Of course not, and it makes no difference that this casino offers HUDs.

HUDs are a feature; allowing ratholing is a defect.

50bb min everywhere, let the shortdicks play on the cap tables or move down in stakes

Yeah, his analogy is ******ed.

Imagine you bring a friend to a casino, have him sit behind you calculating all of your opponents' actions, and whenever you have a decision to make you can ask this friend about whatever statistics might be relevant. Do you think other players at the casino would stand for this?

People would rather whine than try. There are a select few that are successful in all conditions.

Math is only ONE component of poker. Does that mean that you suck in the other components? You think that you are Chris Ferguson?

Mods, can we please get this schmo banned, if for no other reason that his lack of logic could possibly be contagious?

Obviously some of us are winning poker players IN SPITE of having to deal with/play against the ratholing SS'ers. The absolute fact, though, is that they have, if played correctly, an unexploitable strategy that gives them an unfair advantage over the rest of the players at the table. Yes, I still make money, but that isn't the point.

Or are you going to refute "the math" again? :lol:

I should get banned for expressing my opinion? I don't subscribe to "Follow the sheep over the cliff rule"


SS'ers cannot exploit skill and luck. All players suffer variance. I don't see SS'ers winning every hand. Unexploitable does not equal winning every or almost every hand.

I play limit mostly, so I don't really give a **** about all this, but these comments show a clear lack of understanding of SS and poker in general.