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Would you give a player who was dealt out of a qualifying bad beat hand a share of the jackpot? Would you give a player who was dealt out of a qualifying bad beat hand a share of the jackpot?

05-01-2015 , 03:05 AM
As others have said, if the player is friendly and fun to be around I would. If they are unpleasant I probably wouldn't. Being a decent person counts both ways.

I'd hate to be so insufferable that I see giving or not giving a guy a share of a bad beat as an EV decision either way. It's one of the most antisocial things I've ever heard.
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05-01-2015 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
Except that that's not actually how it works. The waitress from an hour ago delayed the hand 20 seconds, which resulted in the dealer being in a different mindset and sweeping the cards up in a different pattern than he would have had he done it 20 seconds earlier, which changed every single hand since then. It's the exact same argument people make for the guy who missed the hand only without all the emotion involved clouding everyone's logic capabilities.

I empathize with the guy who missed the hand, but it's pretty silly to think that he deserves a share for that. That guy has done no more to influence the hand coming down this way than all the other millions of people who have interacted with the people at the table over the course of their lives. People just feel guilty because he's present and disappointed that he missed out and because they're feeling guilty since they know they didn't really do anything to earn the money. It's illogical guilt that drives this and nothing to do with the fact that he would have changed the course of the hand.
This is exactly right and it seems like nobody understands it. It's the same reason why I think the dealer doesn't deserve a tip for it either.
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05-01-2015 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by nicname
I'd hate to be so insufferable that I see giving or not giving a guy a share of a bad beat as an EV decision either way. It's one of the most antisocial things I've ever heard.
In that case, can I have two hundred dollars?
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05-01-2015 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dpc5807
This is exactly right and it seems like nobody understands it.
It seems like everybody understands it
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05-01-2015 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
In that case, can I have two hundred dollars?
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05-01-2015 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
In that case, can I have two hundred dollars?

That's not the case at all, even in the OP. No one is asking for anything. People are giving something of their own out of their own free will. What a novel idea.
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05-01-2015 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
In that case, can I have two hundred dollars?
Next time you're at the table with me and lobbying when the jackpot hits, PM me and I'll ship.
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05-01-2015 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
It seems like everybody understands it
I'd say most people here do but the majority or live casual players don't.
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05-02-2015 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Next time you're at the table with me and lobbying when the jackpot hits, PM me and I'll ship.
Okay, but I made a post that made you waste a few seconds of your life to respond to it, which will change everything about all the random events that happen in the rest of your life, so if you ever hit a bad beat, I was clearly partly responsible and deserve a share.

So, you know, remember me if it happens.
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05-02-2015 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
Okay, but I made a post that made you waste a few seconds of your life to respond to it, which will change everything about all the random events that happen in the rest of your life, so if you ever hit a bad beat, I was clearly partly responsible and deserve a share.

So, you know, remember me if it happens.
I will be sure to pay you an amount proportional to how close we are.
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05-02-2015 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter Porker
In that case, can I have two hundred dollars?
Nit
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05-02-2015 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by truefish
Nit
You're saying I should have asked for more?
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05-02-2015 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
I will be sure to pay you an amount proportional to how close we are.
In that case, at least make sure you give the waitress a nice tip.
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05-02-2015 , 07:24 PM
So this EXACT scenario happened to me in March 2009 at the Borgata.

It was 4 AM. I had been playing 1-2NL for the last 12-15 hours and was up in the range of 1300 or so. I literally stepped away from the table to call the Borgata to get a room for the rest of the night. I stepped from the 2nd table in the room to where the couches are. (Not far). I may have missed 2 hands. I am on my way back when I see the river action where the BBJ was dealt. Several of the players had no idea it was $150K. I was instantly saddened that I missed out and figured it was just pure bad luck. I start racking up when the floor person said something to the effect of "These guys should take care of you since it would not have occurred if you were in"

End result: The winner gave me 600, 2nd winner gave me 300, and the others at the table randomly gave me from 100-300. Table share was 8.2K ish and winner got like 60K/30K.

I was really happy that I got anything and gave the dealer $300.

One of the "kids" (21 maybe?) at the table it was their first time playing 1-2NL in a casino ever. How cool would that be to get over 8K!

Personally, even before this situation ever occurred, I would have for sure gave the person something. Not table share, but definitely more then zero assuming they were a nice person. A total ass gets zero. Amazing how being nice at the tables helps!

In general I always tip well and am very generous.

Thanks to all those who were nice to me that night!
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05-02-2015 , 07:25 PM
FYI since then, I want to say a year or two ago they changed the rule at the Borgata to the missed blind button rule which allows you to go to the bathroom at least!
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05-03-2015 , 01:48 PM
Unbelievable how greedy some of you are. You were just handed a pile of money for no reason. Throw the guy a bone for f***s sake.
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05-03-2015 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chunks202
Unbelievable how greedy some of you are. You were just handed a pile of money for no reason. Throw the guy a bone for f***s sake.
How greedy you are, you haven't sent me any money ever. You greedy bastard.
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05-03-2015 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chunks202
Unbelievable how greedy some of you are. You were just handed a pile of money for no reason. Throw the guy a bone for f***s sake.
And why stop there? I say give the guy 2% and then give an equal amount to each of the last 100 people you interacted with. Throw them a bone for forks sake!
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05-03-2015 , 05:02 PM
The people adamantly arguing against throwing the guy — who didn't ask for a share — a bone are the same dorks who labeled food with their name on it in college.
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05-03-2015 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chunks202
Unbelievable how greedy some of you are. You were just handed a pile of money for no reason. Throw the guy a bone for f***s sake.
It's not for no reason. I'm finally getting a return on all those $1 or $2 drops that came out of every pot I competed for. For a regular player that might be thousands of pots.

This is why I also don't understand people that would give a silly huge tip to a dealer who dealt them a jackpot.

A couple of years ago when the Caesars megabeat hit, I was playing at Caesars with a friend (different tables). I drove so it was up to me when to call it a night. So I did, and went and told him, and he was going to just play till his blind then get up. I went to cashout and the jackpot hit, and every player in the Caesars room was going to get about $800. Since I had to wait around the poker room for about an hour while the staff got everyone's details sorted, I was hoping my friend would give me some kickback from it, $100 or $200 maybe. I felt I would've but I didn't say anything or hold it against him at all when he didn't.
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05-03-2015 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nicname
The people adamantly arguing against throwing the guy — who didn't ask for a share — a bone are the same dorks who labeled food with their name on it in college.
Wtf in lots of places not labelling your food is the same as giving it away.
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05-03-2015 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nicname
The people adamantly arguing against throwing the guy — who didn't ask for a share — a bone are the same dorks who labeled food with their name on it in college.
Sure, giving away $500 is just the same as someone using a few slices of your bread.

Of course, I said to buy the guy a drink. That's throwing him a bone.
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05-03-2015 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Carnivore
It's not for no reason. I'm finally getting a return on all those $1 or $2 drops that came out of every pot I competed for. For a regular player that might be thousands of pots.

This is why I also don't understand people that would give a silly huge tip to a dealer who dealt them a jackpot.

A couple of years ago when the Caesars megabeat hit, I was playing at Caesars with a friend (different tables). I drove so it was up to me when to call it a night. So I did, and went and told him, and he was going to just play till his blind then get up. I went to cashout and the jackpot hit, and every player in the Caesars room was going to get about $800. Since I had to wait around the poker room for about an hour while the staff got everyone's details sorted, I was hoping my friend would give me some kickback from it, $100 or $200 maybe. I felt I would've but I didn't say anything or hold it against him at all when he didn't.
He definitely should have bought you a decent dinner.

Fwiw, I agree with tipping the dealer 2% simply because it's so thoroughly expected that people will consider you a scumbag if you don't.
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05-03-2015 , 06:33 PM
I agree with tipping the dealer 3% (which is standard) simply because it's so thoroughly expected that people will consider you a scumbag if you tip less, or do not tip at all.
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05-03-2015 , 09:17 PM
Research I did in the tipping thread indicated 2% was the appropriate amount, but when I hit mine, the guy who had high hand tipped a flat $100, so he took a bullet for my 2%.
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